The Infrastructure Projects

[Fumanchew]

I think maybe Toton for a lot of reasons

Some because of the whiff of political backhander undertones

Some because of its location, perhaps with it being too close to the county of Derbyshire?

Also without better transport links it will be a ballache for me to get to personally

[The reds]

I’m not sure Toton happens, if Marinakis wants a Sports Village that space isn’t big enough.

[Joe Baker Legend]

I think maybe Toton for a lot of reasons

Some because of the whiff of political backhander undertones

Some because of its location, perhaps with it being too close to the county of Derbyshire?

Also without better transport links it will be a ballache for me to get to personally

Its also next to Sir Brian Clough Way.

[Deeler16]

Is the new stadium the problem or is Toton the problem?

Reading some stuff on the socials folk keep moaning about Toton more so than a new stadium.

Without doubt, Toton is the biggest issue. It’s just too far from the city. I’m not convinced however that there is viable space around our current location or nearby. I can however imagine a point that businesses and infrastructure generally would increase wherever we relocate… just will take 5-10yrs for all of that to come to fruition around Toton I guess

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Is the new stadium the problem or is Toton the problem?

Reading some stuff on the socials folk keep moaning about Toton more so than a new stadium.

Without doubt, Toton is the biggest issue. It’s just too far from the city. I’m not convinced however that there is viable space around our current location or nearby. I can however imagine a point that businesses and infrastructure generally would increase wherever we relocate… just will take 5-10yrs for all of that to come to fruition around Toton I guess

Toton is the issue. My opinion is its a disaster both short and long term.
I say that as someone who would personally find the location convenient.

Moving that far rips the heart out of the club because it no longer represents that community. Disaster for local businesses too, Rushcliffe council need to get on the case.

[Uwantlee]

The club have announce record season ticket renewals plus a waiting list of 12000. This is the hear of the club not the ground. The city ground will always be special to us but we will always be limited whilst here. Even if we own the land we can’t do much with it… or not enough to satisfy the owners aspirations. We need the infrastructure to be competitive and this will include more than just the ground. We already have enough fans to fill a 40000+ ground and the current plans have us at 380000.
West ham got it wrong moving to the Olympic stadium it simply wasn’t built for football. Tottenhams ground could be immense with atmosphere but the spurs fans have never been much cop.
However hard it would be leaving the WFCG we have to do what is right if for the club to be competitive. If we are happy with relegation battles, swapping between the prem and the champ then stay where we are.
However, I’d like to see plans before a decision is made… get something drawn up and let us fans have a say as.
EM will make a decision on what’s best for us as a club and not because some of us remember the European cups and success under cloughie. If EM thinks a new ground, new training facilities in one site is best then I trust him to make that decision. However we are the heart of the club and we should have a say on what it’s going to look like.

[Tricky]

The club have announce record season ticket renewals plus a waiting list of 12000. This is the hear of the club not the ground. The city ground will always be special to us but we will always be limited whilst here. Even if we own the land we can’t do much with it… or not enough to satisfy the owners aspirations. We need the infrastructure to be competitive and this will include more than just the ground. We already have enough fans to fill a 40000+ ground and the current plans have us at 380000.
West ham got it wrong moving to the Olympic stadium it simply wasn’t built for football. Tottenhams ground could be immense with atmosphere but the spurs fans have never been much cop.
However hard it would be leaving the WFCG we have to do what is right if for the club to be competitive. If we are happy with relegation battles, swapping between the prem and the champ then stay where we are.
However, I’d like to see plans before a decision is made… get something drawn up and let us fans have a say as.
EM will make a decision on what’s best for us as a club and not because some of us remember the European cups and success under cloughie. If EM thinks a new ground, new training facilities in one site is best then I trust him to make that decision. However we are the heart of the club and we should have a say on what it’s going to look like.

You make some valid points there mate.

Really good post  ::

[Trailer Park Tom]

The club have announce record season ticket renewals plus a waiting list of 12000. This is the hear of the club not the ground. The city ground will always be special to us but we will always be limited whilst here. Even if we own the land we can’t do much with it… or not enough to satisfy the owners aspirations. We need the infrastructure to be competitive and this will include more than just the ground. We already have enough fans to fill a 40000+ ground and the current plans have us at 380000.
West ham got it wrong moving to the Olympic stadium it simply wasn’t built for football. Tottenhams ground could be immense with atmosphere but the spurs fans have never been much cop.
However hard it would be leaving the WFCG we have to do what is right if for the club to be competitive. If we are happy with relegation battles, swapping between the prem and the champ then stay where we are.
However, I’d like to see plans before a decision is made… get something drawn up and let us fans have a say as.
EM will make a decision on what’s best for us as a club and not because some of us remember the European cups and success under cloughie. If EM thinks a new ground, new training facilities in one site is best then I trust him to make that decision. However we are the heart of the club and we should have a say on what it’s going to look like.

Im interested to know how a new stadium is going to make us avoid relegation battles? We should have gotten relegated this year and it had nothing to do with our spending capabilities.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

The extra 10,000 seats from a new ground will earn us approximately £7m a year. We will get more off field an commercial use granted but redeveloping the CG would get more income too.

Lets call it a round £10m a year better moving.
Thats just 8% of our TV income.
Or the price of a modest signing like Dominguez.

So how exactly does this transform us from relegation candidates to European contenders?

[Uwantlee]

The club have announce record season ticket renewals plus a waiting list of 12000. This is the hear of the club not the ground. The city ground will always be special to us but we will always be limited whilst here. Even if we own the land we can’t do much with it… or not enough to satisfy the owners aspirations. We need the infrastructure to be competitive and this will include more than just the ground. We already have enough fans to fill a 40000+ ground and the current plans have us at 380000.
West ham got it wrong moving to the Olympic stadium it simply wasn’t built for football. Tottenhams ground could be immense with atmosphere but the spurs fans have never been much cop.
However hard it would be leaving the WFCG we have to do what is right if for the club to be competitive. If we are happy with relegation battles, swapping between the prem and the champ then stay where we are.
However, I’d like to see plans before a decision is made… get something drawn up and let us fans have a say as.
EM will make a decision on what’s best for us as a club and not because some of us remember the European cups and success under cloughie. If EM thinks a new ground, new training facilities in one site is best then I trust him to make that decision. However we are the heart of the club and we should have a say on what it’s going to look like.

Im interested to know how a new stadium is going to make us avoid relegation battles? We should have gotten relegated this year and it had nothing to do with our spending capabilities.

A valid point of course… we have spent a good sum of money to be distinctly average in the prem and had the teams below us been better we would have been relegated… FFP caught up with us too so if we hadn’t spent the money we had you could argue we would have been relegated. We need greater sources of income, bigger crowds, more use of stadium facilities outside of just match day. This will enable us to spend and not worry so much about ffp. We can only do this if we move. The CG will never be a suitable site to do all we need. We can increase our capacity a little but we will still be limited.
If we could find a way to do it all where we are then great that has to be the priority. However, I would assume EM has done his homework on this…. If he really thinks moving is best for the club then I’ll back him. If he thinks he can do what he wants to achieve where we are now then even better.
We need to be better next year and we can move up the table no doubt but to be competitive, to be like villa, we need to be more as a club and not just the 11 on the pitch.

[Trailer Park Tom]

The extra 10,000 seats from a new ground will earn us approximately £7m a year. We will get more off field an commercial use granted but redeveloping the CG would get more income too.

Lets call it a round £10m a year better moving.
Thats just 8% of our TV income.
Or the price of a modest signing like Dominguez.

So how exactly does this transform us from relegation candidates to European contenders?

Honestly Sal it's doing my nut in. This need has come from nowhere and it's because it's dirty. People aren't just saying we need a new stadium because it's what they want, it's been fed to them.

Since when have people wanted a new stadium because the city ground is substandard and limits our capabilities on the pitch?

The club could easily smarten up the city ground concourses, bars and toilets, whilst building a new main stand.

People need to ask themselves at what point did you start wanting a new stadium and why?

[Trailer Park Tom]

The club have announce record season ticket renewals plus a waiting list of 12000. This is the hear of the club not the ground. The city ground will always be special to us but we will always be limited whilst here. Even if we own the land we can’t do much with it… or not enough to satisfy the owners aspirations. We need the infrastructure to be competitive and this will include more than just the ground. We already have enough fans to fill a 40000+ ground and the current plans have us at 380000.
West ham got it wrong moving to the Olympic stadium it simply wasn’t built for football. Tottenhams ground could be immense with atmosphere but the spurs fans have never been much cop.
However hard it would be leaving the WFCG we have to do what is right if for the club to be competitive. If we are happy with relegation battles, swapping between the prem and the champ then stay where we are.
However, I’d like to see plans before a decision is made… get something drawn up and let us fans have a say as.
EM will make a decision on what’s best for us as a club and not because some of us remember the European cups and success under cloughie. If EM thinks a new ground, new training facilities in one site is best then I trust him to make that decision. However we are the heart of the club and we should have a say on what it’s going to look like.

Im interested to know how a new stadium is going to make us avoid relegation battles? We should have gotten relegated this year and it had nothing to do with our spending capabilities.

A valid point of course… we have spent a good sum of money to be distinctly average in the prem and had the teams below us been better we would have been relegated… FFP caught up with us too so if we hadn’t spent the money we had you could argue we would have been relegated. We need greater sources of income, bigger crowds, more use of stadium facilities outside of just match day. This will enable us to spend and not worry so much about ffp. We can only do this if we move. The CG will never be a suitable site to do all we need. We can increase our capacity a little but we will still be limited.
If we could find a way to do it all where we are then great that has to be the priority. However, I would assume EM has done his homework on this…. If he really thinks moving is best for the club then I’ll back him. If he thinks he can do what he wants to achieve where we are now then even better.
We need to be better next year and we can move up the table no doubt but to be competitive, to be like villa, we need to be more as a club and not just the 11 on the pitch.

Why be like Villa? 

Let's be like Man City and go for the title.

Villa have the same capacity as we would have with a new main stand.