The Infrastructure Projects

[Marinakis Red]

I am probably talking out of my arse here and I am a bit out of the loop but what about Phoenix Park (A610) and also the Goose Fair site (The Forest)?

No chance the council will give up the forest rec Sniff.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I am probably talking out of my arse here and I am a bit out of the loop but what about Phoenix Park (A610) and also the Goose Fair site (The Forest)?

No chance the council will give up the forest rec Sniff.

Money talks though and aren't they skint?

But yes it is probably a daft suggestion to be fair.

[Marinakis Red]

I am probably talking out of my arse here and I am a bit out of the loop but what about Phoenix Park (A610) and also the Goose Fair site (The Forest)?

No chance the council will give up the forest rec Sniff.

Money talks though and aren't they skint?

But yes it is probably a daft suggestion to be fair.

They are skint but they host the most historic offering Nottingham has with Goose Fair. They will not get rid of that site. They also use it for other events that bring in revenue. 

But they can certainly come up with something for us.

[DR Forest]

I am probably talking out of my arse here and I am a bit out of the loop but what about Phoenix Park (A610) and also the Goose Fair site (The Forest)?

No chance the council will give up the forest rec Sniff.

Money talks though and aren't they skint?

But yes it is probably a daft suggestion to be fair.

That’s next to my old school and traffic was shite 40 years ago so gawd knows what Mansfield Road is like now.

[Joe Baker Legend]

I am probably talking out of my arse here and I am a bit out of the loop but what about Phoenix Park (A610) and also the Goose Fair site (The Forest)?

A return to early days, apparently Forest played on this site in our early days.
It was also a racecourse.

[zicorice]

Out of town grounds are all absolutely sh1te.
Reading, Brighton, Sheep 3 off top of my head which are crap in terms of atmosphere, pre/post match.

Genuinely can't think of a good one. Boro is half empty even, Sunderland are talking of closing a tier.

Stop this nonsense please Forest and our useless, ineffective, incompetent City Council and sort it out.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

The reality is we will never be able to make the CG what we really want it to be - a big enough stadium 40-50k with all the amenities on site to generate a lot of cash for 365 days.

It’s not just the current fans, it’s also about the legacy for supporters over the next 50 yrs.
I would want my young lad who loves Forest to have the opportunity to experience the success I have seen.

It’s not right to just make do with half baked improvements.

If moving helps sustain our chances of success, then it is the right thing to do for future generations.

I agree.

Yet to inform those who currently can’t take a step back to see it, I would ask the club and council to show us what ‘the freehold’ on offer is so we/the club can all see together whether it’s feasible or not.
How big is the footprint on offer? 
Is a sideways stadium BS or something the current chairman has swept under the carpet because of a possible conflict of interest?
Would the plot allow both a bigger stadium and the leisure facilities required? 
A Forest hotel?
How many and how much profit from apartments and what slice would the council want?
Do the numbers add up?
Maybe Toton can be the training ground/conference venue nearer the motorway and CG the leisure complex?

I guess with the backdrop of tit for tat press statements from club and council, I’m asking for transparency so the fan base can all make a fully informed decision.

Yes agree

We probably won’t ever see the numbers but just want evidence the club has explored every option and isn’t making a decision because Benoy gets a convenient profit, or because of a friendly handshake between Rishi and EM to use the HS2 site to get around political embarrassment or that the council and planning restrictions on the current site really don’t work.

The u turn hasn’t been fully explained other than trying to pin blame on others for a decision to move. Some wont like it regardless but want Forest to least try to have a grown up discussion.

[ozzyten10]

We are talking about a huge investment into the region / city. We are using a Nottingham company to design and build and it will create local
Jobs. I really hate to leave and love our home as much as the next person. However, it’s becoming a shithole and has too many restrictions for what we need moving forward…

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Out of town grounds are all absolutely sh1te.
Reading, Brighton, Sheep 3 off top of my head which are crap in terms of atmosphere, pre/post match.

Genuinely can't think of a good one. Boro is half empty even, Sunderland are talking of closing a tier.

Stop this nonsense please Forest and our useless, ineffective, incompetent City Council and sort it out.

A piece I came across which is a few years old now but the point is valid



A KEY man behind the new generation of out-of-town football stadia across the UK believes the trend for building new grounds away from urban centres has been a mistake.

Ex-footballer Paul Fletcher helped mastermind developments like the Alfred McAlpine Stadium (now John Smith’s Stadium), home to Huddersfield Town, the Reebok Stadium for Bolton Wanderers (now the Macron), the new Wembley Stadium and Coventry City’s Ricoh Arena.

Fletcher, 64, now runs a company called StadiArena and has patents in 16 countries on a new concept which enables an indoor arena to be created inside a football ground.

But he reckons a trick has been missed by failing to provide community facilities and helping to regenerate the traditional areas where the old grounds were built in towns and cities in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

Bolton-born Fletcher, a striker for Wanderers before he moved in one of the most expensive deals in English football to Burnley in 1970, became chief executive of the project to build the club’s £40m Reebok Stadium in the mid-90s, and even negotiated the naming rights with the US sports shoe giant, which had its roots in the town.

“Now, if I could turn the clock back 20 years, I’d do it where Burnden Park (the former Wanders ground), not far from Bolton centre, was,” he told TheBusinessDesk.

“I reckon they would have ended up getting up to 40,000 fans going there, instead of the 20,000 to 30,000 supporters the new ground accommodates.

“Because for many people, football has lots of memories, and when you walk down a road or a cobbled street, you remember, not only the game you’re going to, but going there with your granddad.

“You don’t have those memories with new stadia. New stadia are so clinical and safe – you remember the odd goal being scored there, but you don’t have the family memories of that type of thing.

“I think we could’ve done it at Bolton. But it’s nobody’s fault and I’m not pointing the finger at the directors of Bolton or anyone else.

“A lot of councils, mistakenly in my view now, want football clubs out of town because they think they’re moving trouble out of town, and because often with a football game there’s people urinating in the gardens and being drunk and fighting.

“So they think they move all that, and it does, but it doesn’t work for the area.”

Fletcher said that even as a 16-year-old apprentice footballer at Bolton he remembers looking round the empty Burnden Park ground and thinking “how can this be used for something else?”.

“You look at the current stadium and you think ‘there’s not much activity there’. It just stands idle through the week and only comes alive on match days.

“One of the analogies I use when I talk about this is: Imagine building a hotel that cost £40m and only opening once a fortnight. You’d never do it, but for some reason we do it when we build football stadia.”

[Trailer Park Tom]

Something weird has happened to change opinion and it's heavily influenced by politics.

This time last year we were all content with a main stand redevelopment (Fulham and Palace manage). There was no talk of the City Ground not been up to scratch and us not having enough money from the current set up. 

I'm not completely opposed to a new stadium (within the City) but I don't think it's necessary. 

This isn't about taking forest to the next level, it's about dodgy land and developments. Just like when World Cup host nations are chosen.

The club have done enough this last year to take us back two levels. I don't believe a word they say.

[DR Forest]

I don’t know anything about this so would welcome any enlightenment on the subject.
But the sound bites I’ve noted from recent weeks include-

Rishi Sunak visit
Meets Marinakis
‘A new vision for sport’ initiative
Providing recreational access for people
Collaboration between public and private sectors in Notts
And the proposed new ground is being referred to as a ‘sports village’.

To me that all has a vague scent of large grant funding about it….

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Is the new stadium the problem or is Toton the problem?

Reading some stuff on the socials folk keep moaning about Toton more so than a new stadium.