Crap Referees

[ToryTom]

Someone on Twitter made a list of seventeen incorrect decisions we'd been on the wrong end of this season. That works out at one every two matches (though the spread is different of course).

That's a *lot* of bad luck. I thought refereeing decisions 'evened themselves out' over the season.

As if we have been the only team to get howlers this season. Wolves have had it at least as bad. They aren’t going around making unsubstantiated implications of cheating. The truth is the standard of officiating in the premier league is shocking and getting worse. VAR has in part been a factor in the deterioration of standards and how it is used currently is making it worse still. Some fans are coming over as paranoid and obsessed with being victims. Truth is referring is poor and our team is not very good and capable of getting itself clear from a relegation scrap also involving three of the weakest to compete in the league at the same time.

No one has said that Forest have been exclusively wronged by bad decisions. And dismissing potential bias as incompetence is as flaky as claiming as fact that that Forest are being deliberately targeted. None of us bar Atwell know what was in his head when rejecting three valid penalty calls. But conflict of interest protections exist throughout organisational cultures precisely in order that the potential for decisions deriving from self interest are obviated. The PGMOL/Webb wilfully discarded conflict of interest protections in this case. They are also avoiding transparency around Atwell's decisions, creating smoke and mirrors around the extent to which Forest objected prior to the game, and are benefitting from a media establishment clamour that may well yet see Forest demonstrably punished for speaking up. None of this smells good, and incompetence alone does not explain the attempted cover up.

I bet Huddersfield Towns fans are having a chuckle about the years of some of ours about refereeing decisions in big matches. There wasn’t conspiracy then to get us back into the premier league and there isn’t one now to take us down. There are a lot of rubbish officials. Other teams like Wolves have probably been the victim of worst howlers than us this season

I have never seen you say anything positive about Forest?

I have had lots of positive things to say about Forest over the 50+ years i have supported them. It is when i hear is being associated with some  moronic conspiracy theories I feel inclined to say well we don’t all agree with such nonsense.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Someone on Twitter made a list of seventeen incorrect decisions we'd been on the wrong end of this season. That works out at one every two matches (though the spread is different of course).

That's a *lot* of bad luck. I thought refereeing decisions 'evened themselves out' over the season.

As if we have been the only team to get howlers this season. Wolves have had it at least as bad. They aren’t going around making unsubstantiated implications of cheating. The truth is the standard of officiating in the premier league is shocking and getting worse. VAR has in part been a factor in the deterioration of standards and how it is used currently is making it worse still. Some fans are coming over as paranoid and obsessed with being victims. Truth is referring is poor and our team is not very good and capable of getting itself clear from a relegation scrap also involving three of the weakest to compete in the league at the same time.

If we get relegated it isn’t Howard Webbs fault

He would have played his part as would the 2 managers, the players and owner.

Lets not pretend we haven't lost points because of some refereeing decisions because that would be telling lies.

Part of it would be Webbs fault but lets be man enough to say that the managers, players and owner would be at fault too.

So is nobody willing to accept that then ^^

Nobody even man enough to admit it that along with our owner, 2 managers and players that the refs and VAR will have played a roll if we end up gong down.

Come on, I have admitted that our owner would be partly responsible.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Yes I will accept Refs and VAR are partly responsible. But its incompetence not conspiracy.
Its cost us some points for sure, think Bournemouth for example likely cost us all 3, But I don’t think it has cost us as many points as some are making out. We have had some terrible decisions but some have gone our way too. For example I believe we have faced 10 men in 6 games but only gone on to win one of them. Its a mess of our own creation.

[Percyflage]

Someone on Twitter made a list of seventeen incorrect decisions we'd been on the wrong end of this season. That works out at one every two matches (though the spread is different of course).

That's a *lot* of bad luck. I thought refereeing decisions 'evened themselves out' over the season.

As if we have been the only team to get howlers this season. Wolves have had it at least as bad. They aren’t going around making unsubstantiated implications of cheating. The truth is the standard of officiating in the premier league is shocking and getting worse. VAR has in part been a factor in the deterioration of standards and how it is used currently is making it worse still. Some fans are coming over as paranoid and obsessed with being victims. Truth is referring is poor and our team is not very good and capable of getting itself clear from a relegation scrap also involving three of the weakest to compete in the league at the same time.

If we get relegated it isn’t Howard Webbs fault

He would have played his part as would the 2 managers, the players and owner.

Lets not pretend we haven't lost points because of some refereeing decisions because that would be telling lies.

Part of it would be Webbs fault but lets be man enough to say that the managers, players and owner would be at fault too.

So is nobody willing to accept that then ^^

Nobody even man enough to admit it that along with our owner, 2 managers and players that the refs and VAR will have played a roll if we end up gong down.

Come on, I have admitted that our owner would be partly responsible.

If a handful of the most egregious refereeing errors hadn't been made we'd have left behind concerns about relegation by now.

[wassy04]

Yes I will accept Refs and VAR are partly responsible. But its incompetence not conspiracy.
Its cost us some points for sure, think Bournemouth for example likely cost us all 3, But I don’t think it has cost us as many points as some are making out. We have had some terrible decisions but some have gone our way too. For example I believe we have faced 10 men in 6 games but only gone on to win one of them. Its a mess of our own creation.

This is true, it's being made out like we'd have won these games that we got bad decisions in. No guarantee we score any of these penalties or beat Bournemouth if Boly stays on.

It has probably cost us a few points for sure but it's difficult to quantify without being able to compare to other teams.

[JollyLolly]

It's Wednesday afternoon, why is there still NO comments by either the club or Howard Webb regards the released audio, some reports are saying that none exists for the 3rd penalty appeal? All very strange this.

[Redgirl]

even if it is only a few points, those few points could keep us up. Im as frustrated by the team as anyone but without the points deduction and points lost through bad decisions by officials we would probably be safe by now in i mid table position. Not taking away from our dreadful form, its just at the moment every point counts for so much.

[Paplane]

even if it is only a few points, those few points could keep us up. Im as frustrated by the team as anyone but without the points deduction and points lost through bad decisions by officials we would probably be safe by now in i mid table position. Not taking away from our dreadful form, its just at the moment every point counts for so much.

And the team might not be so dreadful either if they'd had the buffer of a comfortable season.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I see Pep is making the argument to his advantage in advance of Sunday He “never had any doubts” as to the integrity of referees and “do their job as best as possible”.

I haven’t got the direct quotes but Im pretty sure Pep has come out with some damning comments of his own about refs through the years. But this will be the narrative, ManCity love referees who have a difficult job, its just evil whinging Forest who are complaining. We have been discussing unconscious bias, thats the thought Simon Hooper will have when he goes onto the pitch on Sunday.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I see Pep is making the argument to his advantage in advance of Sunday He “never had any doubts” as to the integrity of referees and “do their job as best as possible”.

I haven’t got the direct quotes but Im pretty sure Pep has come out with some damning comments of his own about refs through the years. But this will be the narrative, ManCity love referees who have a difficult job, its just evil whinging Forest who are complaining.

I don't suppose he mentioned those 115 charges that are hanging over them did he SM

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Nope he didn’t. Don’t get me wrong I think the whole system regarding that stinks and is loaded to protect the big boys.

[ToryTom]

Nope he didn’t. Don’t get me wrong I think the whole system regarding that stinks and is loaded to protect the big boys.

It has been that way a long time. Managers like Warnock complained about premier league and refereeing bias for the big clubs, a long time ago. Remember Tevez and Mascherano playing for Wham and them not being signed correctly under the rules and the premier league fined them rather than took points off them. sheffield united went down because of that. That wasn’t fair then. It’s not new but i think VAR is doing the opposite of what it is supposed too. Refs don’t make decision against the big clubs knowing that VAR will have to take a look and share the responsibility but VAR are absolving responsibility by only alerting the ref if it is a clanger of the most extreme proportions, subverting the whole purpose of it which is to make the largest number of correct key decisions as possible. VAR is reinforcing the advantage the big sides already had. There is a lot wrong with the premier league and pgmol but it is not a case of the latter conspiring to get certain teams relegated.