NFFC Financial Talk

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

For me the biggest question is simply, why didn't we just take the money in June and avoid this charge?

Did we think we could beat the system with this mitigation plan? Did we not realise until too late? Did the PL decide after the Everton sage to be less lenient (would be my guess)

It seems pretty brazen to just take on the FFP rules and hope we can essentially get them changed after the fact.

Well there is the very important fact that Johnson did not want to go to Brentford for a start.

We couldn't force him to go there, you can't ruin careers like that.

You may be correct about Johnson. About ruining careers, sadly I don’t believe the Marinakis regime gives a monkeys about that considering some of the players at the two clubs that have been bought, swapped around, not played but moved on for a small profit or simply discarded.

Marinaki's never entered my thoughts.

Fact is that both BJ and DJ didn't want the move so obviously they thought it was not good for his career. In answer to Wassy's question we simply couldn't force the move if the player wasn't willing.

[BomberBowyer]

Does this mean it won't be until next season if any point reduction 

Here’s a quick conspiracy theory to ponder.
What if we are admitting our ‘breach’ and not kicking up a fuss like the scousers because we have already been tipped the wink by the PL that any punishment would be minor?

What if it’s Everton they are really after and not us?
What if we are a mere smokescreen to prevent the victimisation card being played?

I just think it’s peculiar that any final appeal decisions will take place after the season has ended, potentially facilitating manipulation of the final relegation standings.

I think there is perhaps something in your theory. The rules and process are there for a reason and presumably even if the PL are content to allow BJs sale to count for last year,  they cannot ignore the fact that as of 30/6 we had breached the limit and have to therefore be charged and go through the process of an independent panel. In doing so Perhaps the PL put forward a recommendation to the panel of what outcome/punishment they think is appropriate. 

Also, can anyone please explain how we cheated? Keep hearing the phrase cheats thrown at the club but by my understanding is we had until the 30/6 (ie after the season had finished) to correct that if needs be. Had we sold BJ on 29/6 for £30m then we are led to believe we would have met the limit and had we done so we wouldn’t be here so where did we cheat other than not to sell until a few weeks later in order to get the best price?

[DeesideRed]

If we'd have accepted £30m spurs would have come flying into the room.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

If we'd have accepted £30m spurs would have come flying into the room.

Doubt it because they hadn't sold Kane at that point.

[optimistic_red]

It would be nice for a national newspaper to do some research and write a sensible article about FFP or whatever the Prem are calling it.
As every club has submitted their accounts be really interesting to know how much money each team has reported as losses in the accounts.

[JWJW]

If we had had Nuno in charge for more games and Cooper in charge for less games.......we might be 15 points clear now and not give a monkeys about a points deduction.

So lets blame Marinakas for not sacking Cooper earlier then............ LOL

Fact of the matter is, Everton were, in total....before special allowances - around 250 million over.............which was later "reduced" to be just 19 million, but of course, they now have the problem again this year.

If we are given the same " special allowances" afforded to Everton - we will be under, not over.

Its up to the legal team..............just have to wait and see, but enough precedents have been set in the special treatment of Everton and helping them get it down to a more respectable 19m deficit for last year.........that we should be fine.

[BomberBowyer]

If we'd have accepted £30m spurs would have come flying into the room.

Levy would have probably offered £25m knowing BJ would rather go to Spurs!

[DR Forest]

In reply to BomberBowyer’s question on page 69 about how we ‘cheated’, Nobody outside NG2 ‘knows’ the details yet but from the various soundbites, they seem to indicate that the whole, or at least majority, of the cause of the breach was the delay in selling Brennan by two months to get an extra £18m…. 100% of which is immediately available for FFP accounting.

Two months.
During which time we were in constant communication with the PL and surely must have had some tacit agreement from them this was acceptable …. or at least an indication that whilst a charge had to be levied in the interests of ‘fairness’, any punishment would be minor.

In defence of the club don’t forget how valuable that extra £18m is. In the current accounting period, it basically facilitates the purchase of 3 Sangare level players if they were all purchased for £30m each and amortised over 5 year contracts.

With extra FFP budget next year as the second championship season falls away from the rolling 3 year allowance, plus a host of expensive player contracts ending, it’s not difficult to see what the overall financial strategy was.

[Sausage Roll]

In reply to BomberBowyer’s question on page 69 about how we ‘cheated’, Nobody outside NG2 ‘knows’ the answer yet but from the club soundbites, the assumption in your second paragraph seems to be the whole or majority, of the cause of the breach- the delay in selling Brennan by two months to get an extra £18m, 100% of which is immediately available for FFP accounting.

Two months.
During which time we were in constant communication with the PL and surely must have had some tacit agreement from them this was acceptable …. or at least an indication that whilst a charge had to be levied in the interests of ‘fairness’, any punishment would be minor.

In defence of the club don’t forget how valuable that extra £18m is. In the current accounting period, it basically facilitates the purchase of 3 Sangare level players if they were all purchased for £30m each and amortised over 5 year contracts.

With extra FFP budget next season as the second championship season falls away from the rolling 3 year allowance, plus a host of expensive player contracts ending, it’s not difficult to see what the overall financial strategy was.

This is a really good and clear explanation, thanks.

Hopefully it's accurate and any penalty imposed on us will be relatively minor.

[JollyLolly]

DR well thought out and hopefully this is indeed the case!

[stefanduma]

I'm chilled about the whole situation in that I do not believe we will have a points deduction, maybe a slapped wrist, suspended fine or a jolly good telling off. I think this whole situation is the Premier League trying to prove to the government that they do not need an independent legislative body to oversee them and that they can rule themselves.

Lots of papers comment on how unfair the situation is in light of Man City's charges that keep being kicked into the long grass. If anyone deserves punishment, it's them. They have won 12 trophies during the time that they allegedly broke the rules.

[Paplane]

In reply to BomberBowyer’s question on page 69 about how we ‘cheated’, Nobody outside NG2 ‘knows’ the details yet but from the various soundbites, they seem to indicate that the whole, or at least majority, of the cause of the breach was the delay in selling Brennan by two months to get an extra £18m…. 100% of which is immediately available for FFP accounting.

Two months.
During which time we were in constant communication with the PL and surely must have had some tacit agreement from them this was acceptable …. or at least an indication that whilst a charge had to be levied in the interests of ‘fairness’, any punishment would be minor.

In defence of the club don’t forget how valuable that extra £18m is. In the current accounting period, it basically facilitates the purchase of 3 Sangare level players if they were all purchased for £30m each and amortised over 5 year contracts.

With extra FFP budget next year as the second championship season falls away from the rolling 3 year allowance, plus a host of expensive player contracts ending, it’s not difficult to see what the overall financial strategy was.

But the two months argument can be turned around. I can be suggested that we should have ensured we were within and not relying on rhe dale of a single player.