The Infrastructure Projects

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Well I will be sat on the banks of the Trent Saturday afternoon watching the world go by, eating my burger and thanking God I’m not sat outside a soulless Bowl in a car park half way to Sheepland…can’t believe we’re even thinking about it!

I’m with you. 

Despite its deficiencies I wouldn’t trade our ground for any other in the country.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I am dead against this moving idea.

Call me old fashioned or accuse me of living in the past I don't care.

Why do we need a ground the size of Man City, Man United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool?

Lets be honest we are never going to win the league.

'My desire is always to be here, oh City Ground'.

It might be unrealistic but I can't imagine Marinakis thinks like that.

Like SR comments, I think your man would like to move to a new setting and all that it brings commercially Sniffer!

Perhaps he would but that doesn't mean that I and tens of thousands of others have to agree with him.

Moving to a new bigger stadium doesn't guarantee success. Ask Coventry, Sunderland, Derby, Wigan, Stoke, Reading etc.

[optimistic_red]

This whole "soulless bowl" narrative needs to go, watching the Olympiacos game last night, their bowl looked rocking!
Wasn't too long ago the atmosphere at City ground was pretty poor.

That said, I'd rather we stay and improve, and I think that Athletic article was put out to help negotiations with council and to soften fans opinion of move.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

This whole "soulless bowl" narrative needs to go, watching the Olympiacos game last night, their bowl looked rocking!
Wasn't too long ago the atmosphere at City ground was pretty poor.

That said, I'd rather we stay and improve, and I think that Athletic article was put out to help negotiations with council and to soften fans opinion of move.

I dunno I think there is some substance to the narrative.

If the team is struggling or if we drop back into the Championship and we have 10,000 empty seats then it could become a soulless bowl. Hopefully that would never happen but I don't think anyone would be too surprised if it did.

Last night it was a European Semi Final, it wasn't Bournemouth at home on a Tuesday night. Also Greeks are much more passionate and have more fire in their bellies than the English. We shouldn't really compare the two things because it's not really a fair comparison.

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This whole "soulless bowl" narrative needs to go, watching the Olympiacos game last night, their bowl looked rocking!
Wasn't too long ago the atmosphere at City ground was pretty poor.

That said, I'd rather we stay and improve, and I think that Athletic article was put out to help negotiations with council and to soften fans opinion of move.

Do you go to many away games?

How many grounds have you been to?

It’s not a narrative it’s a fact. 

If your experience of new stadiums is watching on TV where they strategically place microphones or the playoff final then that’s not the weekly reality. 

I was speaking to a number of West Ham and Spurs fans last week, they hate it despite the enhanced facilities. 

Other clubs are envious of what we have.

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This whole "soulless bowl" narrative needs to go, watching the Olympiacos game last night, their bowl looked rocking!
Wasn't too long ago the atmosphere at City ground was pretty poor.

That said, I'd rather we stay and improve, and I think that Athletic article was put out to help negotiations with council and to soften fans opinion of move.

I dunno I think there is some substance to the narrative.

If the team is struggling or if we drop back into the Championship and we have 10,000 empty seats then it could become a soulless bowl. Hopefully that would never happen but I don't think anyone would be too surprised if it did.

Last night it was a European Semi Final, it wasn't Bournemouth at home on a Tuesday night. Also Greeks are much more passionate and have more fire in their bellies than the English. We shouldn't really compare the two things because it's not really a fair comparison.

Spot on.

[Jean_claude_killy]

I’m not sure I trust the new chairman.

Mind you, I certainly didn’t trust the last one.

He is starting to come across as a bit of a chancer.

His attempts to hoodwink the supporters on the issues with the Council have been rumbled, and the manner in which the Season Ticket increase was implemented has left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths.

After all of the good work EM has done for the Club and for the Community, I am not sure he will want to be associated with someone who seems intent on alienating the support base.

[optimistic_red]

This whole "soulless bowl" narrative needs to go, watching the Olympiacos game last night, their bowl looked rocking!
Wasn't too long ago the atmosphere at City ground was pretty poor.

That said, I'd rather we stay and improve, and I think that Athletic article was put out to help negotiations with council and to soften fans opinion of move.

Do you go to many away games?

How many grounds have you been to?

It’s not a narrative it’s a fact. 

If your experience of new stadiums is watching on TV where they strategically place microphones or the playoff final then that’s not the weekly reality. 

I was speaking to a number of West Ham and Spurs fans last week, they hate it despite the enhanced facilities. 

Other clubs are envious of what we have.

I go to Away games if I can get a ticket, which is hard these days. 4 this year, 6 last, more in the championship.

I have been to both West Ham and Tottenham's stadiums. The West Ham stadium is terrible for Football, it's there to make mega money and get 5K+ tourists. Way to far away from pitch. Tottenham is a great stadium, but they have priced out a large number of "traditional" fans.

There are many reasons for a good or bad atmosphere.

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This whole "soulless bowl" narrative needs to go, watching the Olympiacos game last night, their bowl looked rocking!
Wasn't too long ago the atmosphere at City ground was pretty poor.

That said, I'd rather we stay and improve, and I think that Athletic article was put out to help negotiations with council and to soften fans opinion of move.

Do you go to many away games?

How many grounds have you been to?

It’s not a narrative it’s a fact. 

If your experience of new stadiums is watching on TV where they strategically place microphones or the playoff final then that’s not the weekly reality. 

I was speaking to a number of West Ham and Spurs fans last week, they hate it despite the enhanced facilities. 

Other clubs are envious of what we have.

I go to Away games if I can get a ticket, which is hard these days. 4 this year, 6 last, more in the championship.

I have been to both West Ham and Tottenham's stadiums. The West Ham stadium is terrible for Football, it's there to make mega money and get 5K+ tourists. Way to far away from pitch. Tottenham is a great stadium, but they have priced out a large number of "traditional" fans.

There are many reasons for a good or bad atmosphere.

They are both great examples of how poor the atmosphere can be.

Whilst the new WHL might be great from an experience perspective, the atmosphere pretty much dies a death in most games once the trumpeter finished playing "Oh When The Spurs". I know this as two mates are season ticket holders there.

The olympic stadium is a prime example of how wrong it can go. The fans are so widely dispersed. They have gone the opposite way and lost any real atmosphere except for the really big games.

Due to their increased capacity the tickets are quite reasonably priced so there is a large proportion of season ticket holders who go simply to see EPL games, when they can be bothered. The club are trying to address this but whether that will ever enable them to recover what they have lost, time will tell.

[Tricky]

“We’ve been very clear with Forest that the council is legally bound by the need to seek best value for taxpayers — no local authority can subsidise a Premier League football club. We’re seeking market rate for the site, nothing more, which is in line with our statutory requirements.

Forest are being offered sites that are bigger - with better infrastructure for much less. Yes forest want the free hold but the council are overpricing it by miles and judging it on the value of it as residential land for the whole plot having worked out what forest are calculating for the residential part of the development. They argue that is the market rate for prime waterfront property. However - without the vast proportion of it being the stadium this isn’t a fair market rate at all. Without the stadium is it really worth as much?

Trent bridge - brings in 1 or 2 big events a year.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle here.

Ozzy, the main reason the Council appear to be overpricing the land is because due to its riverside location, which does attract the top dollar I'm afraid. The Council could sell that land for absolute top money and there would be a queue of developers wanting to buy that land.

One point I have picked up on so far is the Council saying the site near Meadow lane is earmarked as industrial land and they wont be able to change the planning permission accordingly. That is a load of bollocks. If that is the case, then the City Council would also not be able to change the planning permission on the land the CG currently sits on as i believe it is classed as recreational land. The same as the academy currently is. The council. IMO are holding out for the Meadow Lane land to be snapped up for residential, as it could attract far more money. Planning permission would soon be sought if that is the case, you just see!

[ozzyten10]

I think the Radcliffe on soar power station has been on the radar ever since we partnered with EON - suits both parties…‘sustainability’

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I think the Radcliffe on soar power station has been on the radar ever since we partnered with EON - suits both parties…‘sustainability’

f*****g hell, convenient for……absolutely nobody.
I would genuinely rather ground share with Derby.