Crap Referees

[Forest1970]

No but making an example of referees in this instance will shake the remaining ones up surely.

If people are losing their jobs over incompetence you can bet levels of performance / professionalism will increase overnight.

Surely they'd just be under even more pressure and therefore more likely to make mistakes?

I'm sure they're already trying pretty hard to get decisions right.

And how's that working out for them oh that's right they're still f**king up so they need to be made an example of. They simply can't keep mucking up and get no repercussions for it. Us as a club needs more than a few apologetic letters and lets face it no one knows what will happen but all of us knows something needs to happen sooner rather than later.

[stirred]

Who is the school bully? We've had some bad decisions but there's no-one out to get us (or at least there wasn't!)

I just don't see what we're hoping to achieve? Get all the refs sacked? The refs are poor but what is the solution?

What is the alternative?

To stay quiet and to do nothing, just roll over like a soppy old dog, give a V for vivtory sign and say yeah peace man.

Sorry Wassy but if you want to stay quiet then you become part of the problem.

What is "the problem"? S**t refereeing decisions? 

Best case scenario, what are you hoping we achieve?

Why do you keep asking me what we are hoping to achieve?

I cannot answer that, I am just proud that we have took the bull by the horns and that we are taking a stance.

Not sure if you have been living in North Korea for the last 8 months but we have been getting robbed consistently.

A bloke has invested about half a billion pounds into a project and if he thinks he is being wronged then fair play to him for saying so.

Out of interest if someone robbed your house would you just laugh it off and say oh well what will I hope to achieve by reporting it.

Well generally you would expect your stuff back. So are you suggesting we're hoping to get all the games replayed where we've been wronged? 

You're acting like we're the only team that's ever complained about a refereeing decision. Liverpool kicked up a big song and dance about that goal vs Spurs, a significantly worse error. Were you proud of them too?

I just don't get what the point of all this is. Getting sick of people saying how we're taking on the establishment, as if we're doing something righteous charge to destroy the Premier League. 

We've had bad decisions, it's just bad luck, there is no conspiracy against us. At best we can hope to see a few refs sacked, not going to get those decisions back though is it.

If your house was broken into once you might put it down to bad luck. If your house was repeatedly broken into then it is not bad luck, it means there is a problem that needs addressing. 

We've tried a softer approach, and formal complaints, and the burglaries continue. No doubt they think we're a soft mark, with less media presence than the bigger clubs, so less blow-back if they side with the bigger clubs. They need to know we bite back.

[Paplane]

In terms of what's to gain, what are we wanting to acheive, if I'm not mistaken the Spurs/Liverpool incident lead directly to change in the VAR process and the way the refs communicate. So Liverpool kicking up a stink actually improved matters for all clubs.

If our little outburst can clarify when decisions are looked at and when they are not, then that's better for the game overall. Maybe we even break this situation where the refs are looking out for their mates and why they are reluctant to go to the screen etc. Who knows?

And in the short term, we've now very publicly put the refs on notice that we're extremely aggrieved with their incompetance and if they give us a reason to kick-off in public again, we might collapse the entire system. That's a short term advantage surely?

I didn't like the way the club accused the var of being biased. I don't think that the case at all and it shouldn't have been said. But if EM hadn't have said that then this very public debate wouldn't be happening now.

[stirred]

No but making an example of referees in this instance will shake the remaining ones up surely.

If people are losing their jobs over incompetence you can bet levels of performance / professionalism will increase overnight.

Surely they'd just be under even more pressure and therefore more likely to make mistakes?

I'm sure they're already trying pretty hard to get decisions right.

You watched the videos I posted? One of the most experienced refs, a FIFA international ref deliberately not making the right call to give their mate in the middle an easier time. You think that's a one-off? That culture needs ripping out.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

No but making an example of referees in this instance will shake the remaining ones up surely.

If people are losing their jobs over incompetence you can bet levels of performance / professionalism will increase overnight.

Surely they'd just be under even more pressure and therefore more likely to make mistakes?

I'm sure they're already trying pretty hard to get decisions right.

You watched the videos I posted? One of the most experienced refs, a FIFA international ref deliberately not making the right call to give their mate in the middle an easier time. You think that's a one-off? That culture needs ripping out.

And replacing with what?

Foreign refs? Imagine the furore when another club is done over when a French ref makes a mistake which they would inevitably do.

People are forgetting too should we stay up there are only so many qualified PL refs. Which means all those who we have accused of being incompetent or corrupt and told they must never officiate our matches again will have to referee us next season.

[Magictorch]

Who is the school bully? We've had some bad decisions but there's no-one out to get us (or at least there wasn't!)

I just don't see what we're hoping to achieve? Get all the refs sacked? The refs are poor but what is the solution?

What is the alternative?

To stay quiet and to do nothing, just roll over like a soppy old dog, give a V for vivtory sign and say yeah peace man.

Sorry Wassy but if you want to stay quiet then you become part of the problem.

What is "the problem"? S**t refereeing decisions? 

Best case scenario, what are you hoping we achieve?

Why do you keep asking me what we are hoping to achieve?

I cannot answer that, I am just proud that we have took the bull by the horns and that we are taking a stance.

Not sure if you have been living in North Korea for the last 8 months but we have been getting robbed consistently.

A bloke has invested about half a billion pounds into a project and if he thinks he is being wronged then fair play to him for saying so.

Out of interest if someone robbed your house would you just laugh it off and say oh well what will I hope to achieve by reporting it.

Well generally you would expect your stuff back. So are you suggesting we're hoping to get all the games replayed where we've been wronged? 

You're acting like we're the only team that's ever complained about a refereeing decision. Liverpool kicked up a big song and dance about that goal vs Spurs, a significantly worse error. Were you proud of them too?

I just don't get what the point of all this is. Getting sick of people saying how we're taking on the establishment, as if we're doing something righteous charge to destroy the Premier League. 

We've had bad decisions, it's just bad luck, there is no conspiracy against us. At best we can hope to see a few refs sacked, not going to get those decisions back though is it.

Let's get this right - it is not bad luck that decisions that are proven to be wrong have gone against us, and lots of other teams. It is incompetence and poor performance from the match officials when there is now technology available to get it right. You shouldn't have to rely on luck for a match official to apply the laws of the game correctly. It is not a case of us just being on the wrong side of 50/50 handball decisions all season - let's not forget Boly being sent off in error and all the others. Putting it down to bad luck changes nothing for us or any club nor forces a debate that makes PGMOL do something about it. If you are to precious to accept any form of criticism or challenge, you will never seek to understand. learn and change. For me that's why it has got to this point and I strongly believe that time will show this to be a moment when enough was enough.

May not help us specifically in our relegation fight but it doesn't need to. We have that in our gift if we believe we can do it. That's players, fans etc. 4 games to go - go win them all.

[Sausage Roll]

Someone on Twitter made a list of seventeen incorrect decisions we'd been on the wrong end of this season. That works out at one every two matches (though the spread is different of course).

That's a *lot* of bad luck. I thought refereeing decisions 'evened themselves out' over the season.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

You're acting like we're the only team that's ever complained about a refereeing decision. Liverpool kicked up a big song and dance about that goal vs Spurs, a significantly worse error. Were you proud of them too?

I just don't get what the point of all this is. Getting sick of people saying how we're taking on the establishment, as if we're doing something righteous charge to destroy the Premier League. 

We've had bad decisions, it's just bad luck, there is no conspiracy against us. At best we can hope to see a few refs sacked, not going to get those decisions back though is it.

Thank you. Common sense from someone.

Lets at least keep it real.

Who has said that we are taking on the establishment?

I certainly never have so we can put that rubbish to bed straight away.

Perhaps you two would both feel differently if it was your half a billion that had been invested instead of somebody elses.

There is a lot at stake here, perhaps more than some people realise.

There is a lot at stake, staying in the PL being the key part. So how about we focus on getting the points we need and giving the team the best possible preparation for the remaining games rather than having a constant sideshow around PSR deductions, fans not backing the club of season ticket prices, the club taking on the league, PGMOL and the media in general.

Taking on the establishment? Isnt that what we are doing rightly or wrongly? You say yourself EM won’t roll over which is admirable in the right situation. Plenty other people both on here and on other channels talking about “EM going to war” and “this is only the start” etc.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Someone on Twitter made a list of seventeen incorrect decisions we'd been on the wrong end of this season. That works out at one every two matches (though the spread is different of course).

That's a *lot* of bad luck. I thought refereeing decisions 'evened themselves out' over the season.

Of course totally ignoring decisions that have gone our way. Whats that you say….there aren’t any? I beg to differ. Burnley handball is one. Pretty well every game we have played opposing fans say Yates should have had a red card. There will be plenty if you take the Garibaldi tinted specs off.
Not saying we haven’t had some shockers or even the overall balance of decisions but look at the bigger picture.

[wassy04]

What is the alternative?

To stay quiet and to do nothing, just roll over like a soppy old dog, give a V for vivtory sign and say yeah peace man.

Sorry Wassy but if you want to stay quiet then you become part of the problem.

What is "the problem"? S**t refereeing decisions? 

Best case scenario, what are you hoping we achieve?

Why do you keep asking me what we are hoping to achieve?

I cannot answer that, I am just proud that we have took the bull by the horns and that we are taking a stance.

Not sure if you have been living in North Korea for the last 8 months but we have been getting robbed consistently.

A bloke has invested about half a billion pounds into a project and if he thinks he is being wronged then fair play to him for saying so.

Out of interest if someone robbed your house would you just laugh it off and say oh well what will I hope to achieve by reporting it.

Well generally you would expect your stuff back. So are you suggesting we're hoping to get all the games replayed where we've been wronged? 

You're acting like we're the only team that's ever complained about a refereeing decision. Liverpool kicked up a big song and dance about that goal vs Spurs, a significantly worse error. Were you proud of them too?

I just don't get what the point of all this is. Getting sick of people saying how we're taking on the establishment, as if we're doing something righteous charge to destroy the Premier League. 

We've had bad decisions, it's just bad luck, there is no conspiracy against us. At best we can hope to see a few refs sacked, not going to get those decisions back though is it.

Let's get this right - it is not bad luck that decisions that are proven to be wrong have gone against us, and lots of other teams. It is incompetence and poor performance from the match officials when there is now technology available to get it right. You shouldn't have to rely on luck for a match official to apply the laws of the game correctly. It is not a case of us just being on the wrong side of 50/50 handball decisions all season - let's not forget Boly being sent off in error and all the others. Putting it down to bad luck changes nothing for us or any club nor forces a debate that makes PGMOL do something about it. If you are to precious to accept any form of criticism or challenge, you will never seek to understand. learn and change. For me that's why it has got to this point and I strongly believe that time will show this to be a moment when enough was enough.

May not help us specifically in our relegation fight but it doesn't need to. We have that in our gift if we believe we can do it. That's players, fans etc. 4 games to go - go win them all.

Bad luck in the sense that we're the ones that have got the most bad decisions, incompetence from the officials yes.

If there was to be a benefit to come from this I'd like to see independent VAR operators, seems like a pretty major flaw right now. Completely separate to PGMOL, with refs trained specifically to operate VAR. Or just get rid of it but that seems less likely.

Either way not gonna help us stay up!

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

You're acting like we're the only team that's ever complained about a refereeing decision. Liverpool kicked up a big song and dance about that goal vs Spurs, a significantly worse error. Were you proud of them too?

I just don't get what the point of all this is. Getting sick of people saying how we're taking on the establishment, as if we're doing something righteous charge to destroy the Premier League. 

We've had bad decisions, it's just bad luck, there is no conspiracy against us. At best we can hope to see a few refs sacked, not going to get those decisions back though is it.

Thank you. Common sense from someone.

Lets at least keep it real.

Who has said that we are taking on the establishment?

I certainly never have so we can put that rubbish to bed straight away.

Perhaps you two would both feel differently if it was your half a billion that had been invested instead of somebody elses.

There is a lot at stake here, perhaps more than some people realise.

There is a lot at stake, staying in the PL being the key part. So how about we focus on getting the points we need and giving the team the best possible preparation for the remaining games rather than having a constant sideshow around PSR deductions, fans not backing the club of season ticket prices, the club taking on the league, PGMOL and the media in general.

Taking on the establishment? Isnt that what we are doing rightly or wrongly? You say yourself EM won’t roll over which is admirable in the right situation. Plenty other people both on here and on other channels talking about “EM going to war” and “this is only the start” etc.

I don't fall for or care about the dramatic headlines SM, I can't stop people writing on other channels.

How about we take a minute to consider how the players must be feeling?

How about we take a minute to think about how Nuno and his staff must be feeling?

It is not just our place in the PL at stake here it runs deeper than that. There are careers and jobs to think about and things like that.

And can we stop using the word establishment. We are not taking on the Royal Family. It is the PGMOL so lets not put them on their high horse.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

How must the players and managers be feeling when the club seemingly creates a never ending circus of distraction around them?