Stevie Cooper

[Salvatore Matrecano]

O’Neill took over from Karanka. For whatever its right or wrongs it was hardly controversial.
McLeish took over from ODriscoll. Again it was a manager who was OK but nothing amazing.
Both of those incoming managers were fully backed by the fans when appointed.

[Tricky]

It’s all coopers fault. He forced EM to buying them all.

No he didn't and nobody is saying that but Steve does have to take some of the responsibility and you need to admit that.

There has been a lot of money spent and most if not all the big money signings are on Steve in my view.

45m on MGW.
35M on Steves 'number 6' who he desperately wanted Sangare.
17M on Williams.
15M on Wood.

I could go on but that is almost 120M right there on just 4 signings. Then people wonder why we have to scratch around bringing last minute loans in, well it's because the budget has been spent.

Another thing is if Steve didn't insist on his number 6 (Sangare 35M) then we could have kept Johnson.

Now don't get me wrong I am not blaming Steve for everything because it's a shared responsibility but one or two need to take their blinkers off is all I am saying.

Incorrect. We needed to sell Johnson regardless because of how FFP works. 
We got £45m for him up front pure profit. Sangare is amortised at about £7m per year. The rest of the £45m went to balancing the books for the whole programme.

The whole recruitment team identified the need for a stronger central midfield, arguably the one decision that was correct but whether in hindsight we got the wrong man Im not yet sure.

Cooper has got some right (MGW) some wrong (Wood Shelvey. The wider recruitment team has got some right (Mangala, Murillo) some wrong (Dennis Freuler Montiel Origi) 
Dont play the my boys got more right than your boys game its pointless and tiresome.

I thought Spurs were paying for Jonno in instalments.

We had a debate on here about it a few weeks ago due to some loan we had to take out and we were out of pocket due to the interest and we were basically paying the loan back with the instalments from Spurs? Or summat like that???

I dunno! I'll just slip back into my corner and shurrup!!

[Marco Polo]

Weird - cooper not involved in all the transfers?!

[Marinakis Red]

O’Neill took over from Karanka. For whatever its right or wrongs it was hardly controversial.
McLeish took over from ODriscoll. Again it was a manager who was OK but nothing amazing.
Both of those incoming managers were fully backed by the fans when appointed.

That's not my memory at the games to be fair, as soon as the 2nd of February fans were fighting in the away end at birmingham under Oneill after Aitor Karanka chants. Oneill was appointed on the 19th January.

Big Eck lasted 6 weeks after fans were calling him out after a disastrous start to his tenure. I wouldn't call that backing.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

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I thought Spurs were paying for Jonno in instalments.

We had a debate on here about it a few weeks ago due to some loan we had to take out and we were out of pocket due to the interest and we were basically paying the loan back with the instalments from Spurs? Or summat like that???

I dunno! I'll just slip back into my corner and shurrup!!

No idea about our specific arrangement Tricky but I do know that for FFP purposes the fee counted as profit up front.
To be clear its the FFP bit that’s the important part. EM isn’t brassic, we couldn’t spend further because of FFP limits.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Weird - cooper not involved in all the transfers?!

That is an appalling article full of errors and misquoting Taylor as well.

Correct Cooper didn’t have input on many signings exactly as it is at almost all PL clubs. He is head coach not manager nor head of recruitment.

It is Coopers job to coach the entire squad whoever they are.

We got in Santos before it was clear we would land either Sangare or Domingueez. It’s pretty obvious he was an insurance policy and a sensible one at that.

There are some absolutely bonkers suggestions on here on both sides of the Cooper argument which are twisting facts. I will try to call out those who are doing so when I can.

[Deeler16]

I thought Spurs were paying for Jonno in instalments.

We had a debate on here about it a few weeks ago due to some loan we had to take out and we were out of pocket due to the interest and we were basically paying the loan back with the instalments from Spurs? Or summat like that???

I dunno! I'll just slip back into my corner and shurrup!!

No idea about our specific arrangement Tricky but I do know that for FFP purposes the fee counted as profit up front.
To be clear its the FFP bit that’s the important part. EM isn’t brassic, we couldn’t spend further because of FFP limits.

I think we took got the money in whole upfront minus a few million - think it was an Aussie bank that gave us the money and Spuds were going to pay the instalments direct to Macquarie (?).  The minus a few million will be their margin.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

O’Neill took over from Karanka. For whatever its right or wrongs it was hardly controversial.
McLeish took over from ODriscoll. Again it was a manager who was OK but nothing amazing.
Both of those incoming managers were fully backed by the fans when appointed.

That's not my memory at the games to be fair, as soon as the 2nd of February fans were fighting in the away end at birmingham under Oneill after Aitor Karanka chants. Oneill was appointed on the 19th January.

Big Eck lasted 6 weeks after fans were calling him out after a disastrous start to his tenure. I wouldn't call that backing.

Both of those managerial changes were made when we were doing well and in the top 6. Both precipitated a downturn in results and a return to a more negative playing style. Hardly surprising they didn’t go down well. Not sure about fighting in the away end but would have thought that was a very isolated incident. At home games there was grumblings but nothing more.

Mcleish left after 6 weeks with 1 win in 7 games but mainly left because he wasn’t supported with January transfers as promised when appointed.

[Marinakis Red]

O’Neill took over from Karanka. For whatever its right or wrongs it was hardly controversial.
McLeish took over from ODriscoll. Again it was a manager who was OK but nothing amazing.
Both of those incoming managers were fully backed by the fans when appointed.

That's not my memory at the games to be fair, as soon as the 2nd of February fans were fighting in the away end at birmingham under Oneill after Aitor Karanka chants. Oneill was appointed on the 19th January.

Big Eck lasted 6 weeks after fans were calling him out after a disastrous start to his tenure. I wouldn't call that backing.

Both of those managerial changes were made when we were doing well and in the top 6. Both precipitated a downturn in results and a return to a more negative playing style. Hardly surprising they didn’t go down well. Not sure about fighting in the away end but would have thought that was a very isolated incident. At home games there was grumblings but nothing more.

Mcleish left after 6 weeks with 1 win in 7 games but mainly left because he wasn’t supported with January transfers as promised when appointed.

I personally witnessed the fighting in the away end at Birmingham. It spilled out to the exits too. Zulus not required that day

I think the article covers the fact that certainly Alex Mgleish was not fully backed on appointment.

Let's get back to Steve Cooper now though.

[wassy04]

It’s all coopers fault. He forced EM to buying them all.

No he didn't and nobody is saying that but Steve does have to take some of the responsibility and you need to admit that.

There has been a lot of money spent and most if not all the big money signings are on Steve in my view.

45m on MGW.
35M on Steves 'number 6' who he desperately wanted Sangare.
17M on Williams.
15M on Wood.

I could go on but that is almost 120M right there on just 4 signings. Then people wonder why we have to scratch around bringing last minute loans in, well it's because the budget has been spent.

Another thing is if Steve didn't insist on his number 6 (Sangare 35M) then we could have kept Johnson.

Now don't get me wrong I am not blaming Steve for everything because it's a shared responsibility but one or two need to take their blinkers off is all I am saying.

Incorrect. We needed to sell Johnson regardless because of how FFP works. 
We got £45m for him up front pure profit. Sangare is amortised at about £7m per year. The rest of the £45m went to balancing the books for the whole programme.

The whole recruitment team identified the need for a stronger central midfield, arguably the one decision that was correct but whether in hindsight we got the wrong man Im not yet sure.

Cooper has got some right (MGW) some wrong (Wood Shelvey. The wider recruitment team has got some right (Mangala, Murillo) some wrong (Dennis Freuler Montiel Origi) 
Dont play the my boys got more right than your boys game its pointless and tiresome.

Great post

[wassy04]

I thought Spurs were paying for Jonno in instalments.

We had a debate on here about it a few weeks ago due to some loan we had to take out and we were out of pocket due to the interest and we were basically paying the loan back with the instalments from Spurs? Or summat like that???

I dunno! I'll just slip back into my corner and shurrup!!

No idea about our specific arrangement Tricky but I do know that for FFP purposes the fee counted as profit up front.
To be clear its the FFP bit that’s the important part. EM isn’t brassic, we couldn’t spend further because of FFP limits.

Yep, in accounting terms it's considered pure profit regardless of the cash flow. Cash flow and Balance sheets are very different, you can often have scenarios where there is money to spend but no actual physical cash to make the moves. Hence why clubs willl take loans against future cash flows, like a sale of a player in installments. Sometimes paying more up front will also get you a smaller fee as the other team wouldn't have to take a loan for example.

[wassy04]

Weird - cooper not involved in all the transfers?!

https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2023/1...ers-input/

That is an appalling article full of errors and misquoting Taylor as well.

Correct Cooper didn’t have input on many signings exactly as it is at almost all PL clubs. He is head coach not manager nor head of recruitment.

It is Coopers job to coach the entire squad whoever they are.

We got in Santos before it was clear we would land either Sangare or Domingueez. It’s pretty obvious he was an insurance policy and a sensible one at that.

There are some absolutely bonkers suggestions on here on both sides of the Cooper argument which are twisting facts. I will try to call out those who are doing so when I can.

This is clearly true, however it is not the prevailing opinion on here if you read most of the comments.