Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[Portchester Tricky]

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[Paplane]

We didn't have to assemble a completely new squad though. We could've retained nearly all of the loan players by signing them, given Grabban another year and retained Samba. It was a choice we made so lets not suggest we had a mass walkout of players.

[Reds73]

Dyche probably would do the same thing but he might do it better and more effectively.

There seemed a shocking amount of commitment and fight yesterday which for me is more worrying I dare say that we even threw the towel in.

Yes I know Arsenal were very good but that doesn't excuse some of the things that went on on that pitch yesterday.

I am not buying the Cooper should stay because he is the best man to get us back up either.

We are only 3 points off safety and there should be no thought of going back down again and thinking who is the best man to get us back up again. With that mentality we might as well wrap up now.

Thankfully the likes of Dyche won't allow any of that kind of talk to creep in if he were to take on the job.

Cooper has done a brilliant job to take Forest from the bottom of the championship to promotion. We did it with  a team built around loan players. The squad of permanent players had struggled for the previous 18 months. More than 50% of teams getting promoted to the premier league get relegated the following season. This percentage of failure is increasing. We have had to assemble a completely new squad in a few weeks in the summer. It was always going to be a massive struggle to survive and our deficiencies would get highlighted in the early weeks of the season as we seemed to gel a completely new team. We took a step backwards yesterday against the team at the top of the table who have won every match at home this season but we had prior this started to pick up some points. We are three points from forth from bottom. The league is congested and two victories would move any team up a number of places. I also don’t believe it is inevitable we will get relegated. The odds are against and would be whoever the manager is but it isn’t impossible. The World Cup will also disrupt this season like no other and could cause some odd results.If we sack Cooper I suspect one of our rivals such as Wolves and Southampton would appoint him. Both seem to be waiting for something. In my opinion it is unlikely we will get a better manager. Please don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Great post

Yep spot on mate

[Georgecloney]

We didn't have to assemble a completely new squad though. We could've retained nearly all of the loan players by signing them, given Grabban another year and retained Samba. It was a choice we made so lets not suggest we had a mass walkout of players.

I am not sure. It seems Spence had set his mind on joining Spurs and we wouldn’t have got him. You can argue we could have tried but if we knew he would chose Spurs there wouldn’t have been much point. Lowe was very injury prone and looked out of his depth in the prem with Sheffield. Utd didn’t make a decision on Garner until the last few days of the window by which we had already bought Mangala O Brien Freuler and Kouyate. We couldn’t afford to wait for Utd to make their mind up. Davis did well for us but Villa didn’t think he was a premier league player. Zinc same with Watford and he would have been a squad player not a starter. We needed starters. Cooper wanted to keep Grabban. The truth is Cooper got the maximum out of those players to achieve something we could never have dreamed of this time last season and how do we resolve our current predicament, dismiss the man that engineered that miracle after all the problems we faced which I highlighted above. It would be irrational and potentially damaging long term.

[Georgecloney]

We didn't have to assemble a completely new squad though. We could've retained nearly all of the loan players by signing them, given Grabban another year and retained Samba. It was a choice we made so lets not suggest we had a mass walkout of players.

I am not sure. It seems Spence had set his mind on joining Spurs and we wouldn’t have got him. You can argue we could have tried but if we knew he would chose Spurs there wouldn’t have been much point. Lowe was very injury prone and looked out of his depth in the prem with Sheffield. Utd didn’t make a decision on Garner until the last few days of the window by which we had already bought Mangala O Brien Freuler and Kouyate. We couldn’t afford to wait for Utd to make their mind up. Davis did well for us but Villa didn’t think he was a premier league player. Zinc same with Watford and he would have been a squad player not a starter. We needed starters. Cooper wanted to keep Grabban. The truth is Cooper got the maximum out of those players to achieve something we could never have dreamed of this time last season and how do we resolve our current predicament, dismiss the man that engineered that miracle after all the problems we faced which I highlighted above. It would be irrational and potentially damaging long term.

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[zicorice]

We didn't have to assemble a completely new squad though. We could've retained nearly all of the loan players by signing them, given Grabban another year and retained Samba. It was a choice we made so lets not suggest we had a mass walkout of players.

I am not sure. It seems Spence had set his mind on joining Spurs and we wouldn’t have got him. You can argue we could have tried but if we knew he would chose Spurs there wouldn’t have been much point. Lowe was very injury prone and looked out of his depth in the prem with Sheffield. Utd didn’t make a decision on Garner until the last few days of the window by which we had already bought Mangala O Brien Freuler and Kouyate. We couldn’t afford to wait for Utd to make their mind up. Davis did well for us but Villa didn’t think he was a premier league player. Zinc same with Watford and he would have been a squad player not a starter. We needed starters. Cooper wanted to keep Grabban. The truth is Cooper got the maximum out of those players to achieve something we could never have dreamed of this time last season and how do we resolve our current predicament, dismiss the man that engineered that miracle after all the problems we faced which I highlighted above. It would be irrational and potentially damaging long term.

Despite how spineless the lads were yesterday (1st time I'd say some players were hiding at points in the game) I'm 100% in the Cooper camp. Hope this isn't a bit premature but for me he has to stay, but I worry about how interfering the new bloke will be  especially on training ground where Cooper is at his best. (I know we don't get points directly for training  well  but you know where Im coming from.)

[Paplane]

We didn't have to assemble a completely new squad though. We could've retained nearly all of the loan players by signing them, given Grabban another year and retained Samba. It was a choice we made so lets not suggest we had a mass walkout of players.

I am not sure. It seems Spence had set his mind on joining Spurs and we wouldn’t have got him. You can argue we could have tried but if we knew he would chose Spurs there wouldn’t have been much point. Lowe was very injury prone and looked out of his depth in the prem with Sheffield. Utd didn’t make a decision on Garner until the last few days of the window by which we had already bought Mangala O Brien Freuler and Kouyate. We couldn’t afford to wait for Utd to make their mind up. Davis did well for us but Villa didn’t think he was a premier league player. Zinc same with Watford and he would have been a squad player not a starter. We needed starters. Cooper wanted to keep Grabban. The truth is Cooper got the maximum out of those players to achieve something we could never have dreamed of this time last season and how do we resolve our current predicament, dismiss the man that engineered that miracle after all the problems we faced which I highlighted above. It would be irrational and potentially damaging long term.

Valid points maybe but the fact is it was a choice by the club not to persue these players in lieu of a new set. So an act of self harm if the reason for our poor form is considered to be a loss on continuation from last season.  Im sure every one of them would have jumped at the chance to come permanently bar Spence but if we can persuade names like Lingard & Henderson to join us then I'm sure we could have worked something out for Spence too. I dont buy the we had no choice argument. We plainly did.

[ozzyten10]

We took a punt that Williams was the better option. Long term he may well be but after a promising start he has been poor. Spence hasn’t had a chance to show what he can do yet.
Next two games are absolutely huge for cooper. The tide will turn if we don’t get better performances and results.

[ozzyten10]

Oh and don’t include spurs in that… that game should be for our second string and fringe players. Maybe one or two will show something.

[Tricky]

We didn't have to assemble a completely new squad though. We could've retained nearly all of the loan players by signing them, given Grabban another year and retained Samba. It was a choice we made so lets not suggest we had a mass walkout of players.

Sorry Pap, but I dont agree with us retaining all of last seasons loan players. Jed made it perfectly clear to SC in January he wanted to play down south due to his family being down there and Spurs held the key to that one. We were messed about by Gerrard and Villa when they placed a ridiculous value on Keinan Davies and Man Utd held out until the last day to decide Jimmy Garners fate. I would say the only one we may have had some control over would've been Zinc and I am not sure the club felt he was consistent enough to up his game in the PL.

Samba I'm afraid wanted out and used some lame excuse to move back to his homeland. Grabban wanted one last pay day making mega bucks in the middle east. None of these decisions can be placed on the club. These were all influences outside of Forest's control.

We also had other players that were released as they certainly wouldn't have made the grade, Lolley, Bong and one or two fringe players.

[Paplane]

We didn't have to assemble a completely new squad though. We could've retained nearly all of the loan players by signing them, given Grabban another year and retained Samba. It was a choice we made so lets not suggest we had a mass walkout of players.

Sorry Pap, but I dont agree with us retaining all of last seasons loan players. Jed made it perfectly clear to SC in January he wanted to play down south due to his family being down there and Spurs held the key to that one. We were messed about by Gerrard and Villa when they placed a ridiculous value on Keinan Davies and Man Utd held out until the last day to decide Jimmy Garners fate. I would say the only one we may have had some control over would've been Zinc and I am not sure the club felt he was consistent enough to up his game in the PL.

Samba I'm afraid wanted out and used some lame excuse to move back to his homeland. Grabban wanted one last pay day making mega bucks in the middle east. None of these decisions can be placed on the club. These were all influences outside of Forest's control.

We also had other players that were released as they certainly wouldn't have made the grade, Lolley, Bong and one or two fringe players.

Nobody knows Tricks what the circumstances were around each of the players but I'm certain if the club wanted them they would have worked a way to get them. For example, Cooper wanted MGW despite the fact he was playing for a direct rival. The club got him. Grabban probably wanted decent cash yes but we must be paying well anyway on alternatives this season. Again, a way could've been found. Samba wouldn't have left had we not gone for Henderson. Choices made by the club. And new players coming in should be replacements for the Lolleys and Bongs, and building a better squad on the foundation of last season's successful side. Its a convenient excuse to say it was out of our control.