Lyle Taylor
#13
I've never doubted Taylor's commitment or professionalism

I don't think i have ever criticised him but I can understand that when we have been as bad as we were for as long as we were fans have a need to point the finger and quite alot no doubt came Taylors way, similar with many in the squad, but Grabban, Lolley, Taylor, Bong!, Brice whoever but maybe these primarily but in my opinion unjustly, particularly regrding Taylor

Sabri for his last 20 games and Hughton for virtually all his games had no belief in actually scoring, there didn't seem to be any confidence or plan instilled into the team

Hughton's masterplan was have Taylor bounding around the pitch like a gazelle, across the entire back line as a one man press until he dropped down exhausted

Please don't underestimate Taylor's magnificent masterclass against Bristol, it was an epic, could be the defining moment of the season, it's up there with Eric Lihaj's show against Arsenal but let's not have it end like it did with Eric

I think Taylor's penalty was one of the most composed under huge pressure i've seen in a long time, I thought the whole Bristol thing was one of the best experiences in maybe 100 games maybe 20 years, keep on enjoying it

I think this run deserves some respite for all the players from criticism there's been plenty, there will no doubt be opportunities, hopefully in a long time from now where all the cynics and critics will be crawling all over everything
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#14
(22-10-2021, 08:48 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: I've never doubted Taylor's commitment or professionalism

I don't think i have ever criticised him but I can understand that when we have been as bad as we were for as long as we were fans have a need to point the finger and quite alot no doubt came Taylors way, similar with many in the squad, but Grabban, Lolley, Taylor, Bong!, Brice whoever but maybe these primarily but in my opinion unjustly, particularly regrding Taylor

Sabri for his last 20 games and Hughton for virtually all his games had no belief in actually scoring, there didn't seem to be any confidence or plan instilled into the team

Hughton's masterplan was have Taylor bounding around the pitch like a gazelle, across the entire back line as a one man press until he dropped down exhausted

Please don't underestimate Taylor's magnificent masterclass against Bristol, it was an epic, could be the defining moment of the season, it's up there with Eric Lihaj's show against Arsenal but let's not have it end like it did with Eric

I think Taylor's penalty was one of the most composed under huge pressure i've seen in a long time, I thought the whole Bristol thing was one of the best experiences in maybe 100 games maybe 20 years, keep on enjoying it

I think this run deserves some respite for all the players from criticism there's been plenty, there will no doubt be opportunities, hopefully in a long time from now where all the cynics and critics will be crawling all over everything

Whilst I disagree with the Taylor master class I do agree that the players deserve a break from the criticism and also believe that the criticisms of Ch and the previous way of signing players was bang on.

I am also so pleased that Yates is getting some recognition from fans now.

Hope Taylor can prove all of the doubters (including myself) wrong. The penalty was great... truly. However as the saying goes... one swallow does not make a summer. If he can stop rolling around the floor flapping his arms around looking for fouls then I am sure he can be a half decent player for us. Need to see the consistency though. I do also believe the change in tactical approach will help him... he has to do it now though... every week... every time he gets an opportunity
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#15
(23-10-2021, 12:19 PM)Uwantlee Wrote:
(22-10-2021, 08:48 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: I've never doubted Taylor's commitment or professionalism

I don't think i have ever criticised him but I can understand that when we have been as bad as we were for as long as we were fans have a need to point the finger and quite alot no doubt came Taylors way, similar with many in the squad, but Grabban, Lolley, Taylor, Bong!, Brice whoever but maybe these primarily but in my opinion unjustly, particularly regrding Taylor

Sabri for his last 20 games and Hughton for virtually all his games had no belief in actually scoring, there didn't seem to be any confidence or plan instilled into the team

Hughton's masterplan was have Taylor bounding around the pitch like a gazelle, across the entire back line as a one man press until he dropped down exhausted

Please don't underestimate Taylor's magnificent masterclass against Bristol, it was an epic, could be the defining moment of the season, it's up there with Eric Lihaj's show against Arsenal but let's not have it end like it did with Eric

I think Taylor's penalty was one of the most composed under huge pressure i've seen in a long time, I thought the whole Bristol thing was one of the best experiences in maybe 100 games maybe 20 years, keep on enjoying it

I think this run deserves some respite for all the players from criticism there's been plenty, there will no doubt be opportunities, hopefully in a long time from now where all the cynics and critics will be crawling all over everything

Whilst I disagree with the Taylor master class I do agree that the players deserve a break from the criticism and also believe that the criticisms of Ch and the previous way of signing players was bang on.

I am also so pleased that Yates is getting some recognition from fans now.

Hope Taylor can prove all of the doubters (including myself) wrong. The penalty was great... truly. However as the saying goes... one swallow does not make a summer. If he can stop rolling around the floor flapping his arms around looking for fouls then I am sure he can be a half decent player for us. Need to see the consistency though. I do also believe the change in tactical approach will help him... he has to do it now though... every week... every time he gets an opportunity

The positive approach, freedom and generally having a philosophy that creates chances is going to of transformed the minds of all our front players, it's been an incredible turnaround, but snatching the win out of the embers of a seeming defeat who knows, these things can often take things to even higher levels, unprecedented, never seen in some fans lifetimes, for now will certainly be helping with the approach to Fulham.

I hope in 10 years a fan will still be heard saying that they were there on that rainy night when Lyle Taylor cool as you liked despatched that penalty and immediately snatched the ball in his arms to run back to the centre circle
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#16
Wasn’t very good last night again given a start. Listening to Laws on the way home seemed to think he held the ball up well, have to say that wasn’t particularly what I saw. Thoughts?
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#17
(03-11-2021, 09:35 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Wasn’t very good last night again given a start. Listening to Laws on the way home seemed to think he held the ball up well, have to say that wasn’t particularly what I saw. Thoughts?

That wasn't what I saw either. The ball just doesn't seem to stick when played up to him. Compare that to Billy Sharp who came on quite late but showed exactly that whenever the ball went in his direction. The better tactic seemed to be drilling it into him low, which one of our back three did in the second half and he won a free kick from; high-ish balls up to him are pointless.
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#18
(03-11-2021, 09:35 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Wasn’t very good last night again given a start. Listening to Laws on the way home seemed to think he held the ball up well, have to say that wasn’t particularly what I saw. Thoughts?

Agree.
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#19
Thought Taylor was poor, we looked a different team when Grabbs came on. He allowed the team to play 10 yards further up the pitch second half.
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#20
(03-11-2021, 10:19 AM)Marinakis Red Wrote: Thought Taylor was poor, we looked a different team when Grabbs came on. He allowed the team to play 10 yards further up the pitch second half.

Zinc too was able to receive the ball under pressure. Also made a big difference.
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#21
(03-11-2021, 09:35 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Wasn’t very good last night again given a start. Listening to Laws on the way home seemed to think he held the ball up well, have to say that wasn’t particularly what I saw. Thoughts?

I saw it the same way as you. 

I also don’t think that Taylor would have scored the goal that Grabban did. 

It would be interesting to compare and contrast their goals over the past season and a third, not just in terms of output but also where they are scored from / how they are converted.
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#22
(03-11-2021, 11:20 AM)Username Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 09:35 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Wasn’t very good last night again given a start. Listening to Laws on the way home seemed to think he held the ball up well, have to say that wasn’t particularly what I saw. Thoughts?

I saw it the same way as you. 

I also don’t think that Taylor would have scored the goal that Grabban did. 

It would be interesting to compare and contrast their goals over the past season and a third, not just in terms of output but also where they are scored from / how they are converted.

The ball hit Grabban, bounced away and to his credit he was able to put his toe on it and poke it home. He rescued the chance well but it was a bit of a scruffy attempt. I suspect Taylor may well have been a bit tidier with the chance, maybe spun and directed it goalwards at first attempt? He's more of a natural finisher imo.
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#23
Taylor didn't score the goal.

Grabban did.

Those are the facts between the two strikers.

In addition. Grabban has scored more goals this season.

Forest will have to grasp the nettle on strikers this January and Summer.

They'll both need replacing.

SA.
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#24
(03-11-2021, 02:15 PM)Paplane Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 11:20 AM)Username Wrote:
(03-11-2021, 09:35 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Wasn’t very good last night again given a start. Listening to Laws on the way home seemed to think he held the ball up well, have to say that wasn’t particularly what I saw. Thoughts?

I saw it the same way as you. 

I also don’t think that Taylor would have scored the goal that Grabban did. 

It would be interesting to compare and contrast their goals over the past season and a third, not just in terms of output but also where they are scored from / how they are converted.

The ball hit Grabban, bounced away and to his credit he was able to put his toe on it and poke it home. He rescued the chance well but it was a bit of a scruffy attempt. I suspect Taylor may well have been a bit tidier with the chance, maybe spun and directed it goalwards at first attempt? He's more of a natural finisher imo.

I see him the complete opposite, the ball tends to bounce off Taylor and he is often (surprisingly) caught flat footed, generally followed by the slamming of his arms down his sides in frustration.
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