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(19-07-2021, 02:12 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: (19-07-2021, 12:31 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (19-07-2021, 12:18 PM)Madforit Wrote: The only thing I'm interested in is are you going to reassure the fans that we are going to see quality players being brought to the club under his tenure and not the usual dross that we have had to endure.
His quote was the people that have the most success with recruitment are ones that stick to a strategy of type of player. Means younger rather than quality but it's an exciting strategy.
Have we made a decent return on anyone since Antonio? (Non academy that is)
Kapino, Tachstidis, Soudani, Ansarifard,
DO they count when dealing with Oly?
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Well they count when we are talking about shit players or about shit signings made by Vrentzos so surely they should also count when we are talking about players being sold on for profit?
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(19-07-2021, 02:12 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: (19-07-2021, 12:31 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (19-07-2021, 12:18 PM)Madforit Wrote: The only thing I'm interested in is are you going to reassure the fans that we are going to see quality players being brought to the club under his tenure and not the usual dross that we have had to endure.
His quote was the people that have the most success with recruitment are ones that stick to a strategy of type of player. Means younger rather than quality but it's an exciting strategy.
Have we made a decent return on anyone since Antonio? (Non academy that is)
Kapino, Tachstidis, Soudani, Ansarifard, Guedioura.
Decent return dont make me laugh, prob £2M between them. I assume you meant Guerrero. There was also that Spanish centre half whos name I forgot last season if you want to be complete. In the same time the Academy has generated over £30M
This regime has signed over 70 players and the vast majority of them have lost considerable money. Much of that was inevitable last season given we took on a load of pensioners. We have done appalling business and EM is a hard nosed businessman which is why Murphy has been brought in to shake things up.
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Only Kapino was 2M I believe SM, Tachstidis was less but Soudani was more. That still leaves Ansarifard and Gueedy who both went to the Middle East. You think that they went there for free? I can tell you that they didn't.
When people talk about Vrentzos doing a great job to get the club in the healthy state that it's in now the above is what they are referring to. Selling Cash was the easy bit.
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Rubbish. The only reason we are financially stable is because of the academy sales. I accept we are now run as a sustainable business, pay our bills etc for which I am thankful to the owners. We have achieved Cat 1 and we still own our own ground, that is genuinely fantastic.
But the on field planning, turnover of management and recruitment has been a shambles.
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It's not rubbish SM it was a big contribution towards the healthy financial situation that we find ourselves in today whether you like it or not.
Anyway because I am being accused of talking rubbish I'm off.
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(19-07-2021, 02:25 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Only Kapino was 2M I believe SM, Tachstidis was less but Soudani was more. That still leaves Ansarifard and Gueedy who both went to the Middle East. You think that they went there for free? I can tell you that they didn't.
When people talk about Vrentzos doing a great job to get the club in the healthy state that it's in now the above is what they are referring to. Selling Cash was the easy bit.
Soudani we also paid a decent fee for which offsets some of the profits, shall we generously say 5m for the group?
Against that how many have we signed in that period that we've either released or not sold but just left them in the reserves? Big ticket items is the key anyway, you turn one 1 mil signing into 10m and you're laughing. Imagine if we'd paid for James Justin when we were interested, just look at his value increase since then. This is the kind of success I was referring to. If you sign 10 players for around 1m and you sell one for 10m you've got a pretty good setup going.
Then you add in academy sales which are just pure profit and you're able to continue reinvesting in the squad, like how Brentford did it. It does seem that suddenly everyone has become aware that this is the best tactic, should be good for the league as a whole. Particularly if they ever ditch parachute payments
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(19-07-2021, 02:31 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Rubbish. The only reason we are financially stable is because of the academy sales. I accept we are now run as a sustainable business, pay our bills etc for which I am thankful to the owners. We have achieved Cat 1 and we still own our own ground, that is genuinely fantastic.
But the on field planning, turnover of management and recruitment has been a shambles.
We don't own our own ground SM, its rented off the City Council. We only own the buildings built on it
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(19-07-2021, 02:35 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: It's not rubbish SM it was a big contribution towards the healthy financial situation that we find ourselves in today whether you like it or not.
Anyway because I am being accused of talking rubbish I'm off.
It sure is a hefty contribution we are talking a good few million there how does that not help and contribute to finances - it's not only the sales of our Academy players that contribute towards finances.
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(19-07-2021, 02:31 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Rubbish. The only reason we are financially stable is because of the academy sales. I accept we are now run as a sustainable business, pay our bills etc for which I am thankful to the owners. We have achieved Cat 1 and we still own our own ground, that is genuinely fantastic.
But the on field planning, turnover of management and recruitment has been a shambles.
No, the only reason we are financially stable is down to the owners wealth.
Go back to the accounts and have a look at how much of his personal wealth he has put into the Club.
We have had to sell academy players to comply with P & S which is a different kettle of fish.
Mistakes have been made, but at least those in charge have recognised the fact and done something about it
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A quick summary of players have sold for a profit
Kapino free sold for €300k . 4 games for Forest
Tachtsidis free sold for €450k. 0 games for Forest
Soudani fee €2.7M sold for €2.7M. 6 games for Forest
Ansarifard free sold for ? I will be generous lets say €1M. 12 games for Forest
Guediora free sold for ? He was 32 by then lets say €500K 27 games for Forest
Guerrero free sold for €1M approx. 9 games for Forest
Chema fee£450 sold for £1.35M. 8 games for Forest
So there you have it, our most successful transfers for players bought into the club.
7 players total profit is an estimate but Im guessing around €5M admittedly more than I first guessed but its not fantastic. Their wages will have to be deducted from that figure and wont be insignificant.
I am more interested in players who are value for money and contribute while they are here. Those 7 players gave us a total of 54 games and none exactly pulled up any trees.
Remember these are the best 7. For every one of them we have Hefele, DaCosta, Bong, Arter, Bachirou and others not to mention the £13M on the Portuguese prince. You can dress it up any way you want but we need to improve to be successful and that is why Murphy has been brought in.
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