(13-07-2018, 06:13 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: We are talking about major redevelopments but the intial post in this thread referred to the acadamy and simply replacing the roof on the PT stand. I assume any further work is dependent upon promotion but maybe not committing to any kind of rebuilding is a sign they are still open to moving rather than renovation, Would get round the capacity issues,
Imagine you’re Marinakis, you want to show the club off to friends/potential investors-signings and you rock up and see this extremely run down shack of a stand.... it doesn’t look great does it? Even Notts county have bigger changing rooms than us! The press facilities are inadequate and I won’t mention the toilets...at the very least the Taylor stand as it is needs a rebuild, the rest we can work out as we go along I guess....
(13-07-2018, 05:45 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I wondered about the rotate the pitch option too, also could potentially buy the bit of land between the ground and Lady Bay bridge, seems to be ised as a storage depot and environment agency building? We missed an opportunity with the Riverside development for sure, there was definitely something fishy about the JJMoores bid though.
Any development like this would mean a total rebuild, not sure if that is financially or logistically feasible.
I know this looks like it’s done by a 12 year old but it illustrates what I mean. The width of the pitch allows a higher Bridgford stand without creating the right to light issue.
I am genuinely confused as to why this isn’t an option?
13-07-2018, 10:38 PM (This post was last modified: 13-07-2018, 10:48 PM by Username.)
How long did Bournemouth move for when they did it? I can’t recall them playing elsewhere.
It would mean we could retain our iconic location.
The Trent “End” would become longer increasing the corporate facilities with a view of the river, which I think is massively under utilised. The Pitch Diner has never really become the venue it should have been.
I appreciate we would potentially have to play elsewhere for a season, albeit I do not know if that is for certain but I think it would be worth it.
(13-07-2018, 10:38 PM)Username Wrote: How long did Bournemouth move for when they did it? I can’t recall them playing elsewhere.
It would mean we could retain our iconic location.
The Trent “End” would become longer increasing the corporate facilities with a view of the river, which I think is massively under utilised. The Pitch Diner has never really become the venue it should have been.
I appreciate we would potentially have to play elsewhere for a season, albeit I do not know if that is for certain but I think it would be worth it.
I get your point and like the idea but to demolish and rebuild would be very expensive and as stated elsewhere the footprint is still very small for a modern stadium. Do we even own the land? Thought it was the council? Plus County could hold us to ransom on rent, we would have no option.
Here is my thought on stadium as it stands:
Peter Taylor stand Decrepit as we know
Brian Clough stand. Aging, poor executive boxes, doesnt meet modern standards
Trent End. Poor 2 tier design, most home ends are single tier to improve atmosphere. Does anyone actually use the Castle Club or whatever its called?
Bridgford End. Restricted size due to nearby housing. It remains the only stand where we can house away fans as they can be corralled by police in the car park behind. Therefore if we increase capacity elsewhere we would probably want to increase away allocation. Would mean returning the whole end back to away fans.
All in all a bit of a dogs breakfast. Rebuilding each stand in turn would be sustainable but take years and probably involve compromising the final design. I like the idea of a bolt on to the back of the BC stand but whilst giving a few function rooms not sure it would achive much else.
Sorry but I keep coming back to the conclusion we need to move to a new purpose built site
(12-07-2018, 02:00 AM)Hemp Power Wrote: ive heard it for 30 years or more in truth and I still dont actually se our attendences growing exponentially. a proper rebuild on amenties etc would be welcome but not for the purpose of attendence. 30k is enough
Nah, 30,000 is not enough. I guess if/when we returned to the premiership we would sell around 23 to 25,000 season cards. Around 3 to 5000 floating fasn who pick and chose their matches. When we play the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd, Man City, Everton, Newcastle and other clubs like Derby, Leeds, Sunderland, Villa, Leicester where they will bring many fans, we are looking at perhaps 5000 on top of 30,000 of our own. To miss out on those sort of pay days would be criminal and I dont think Marinakis's commercial team are likely to do that.
Teams like Fulhan, Cardiff, Watford and Palace, then we are more likely to be down to 25 to 28000.
(13-07-2018, 10:38 PM)Username Wrote: How long did Bournemouth move for when they did it? I can’t recall them playing elsewhere.
It would mean we could retain our iconic location.
The Trent “End” would become longer increasing the corporate facilities with a view of the river, which I think is massively under utilised. The Pitch Diner has never really become the venue it should have been.
I appreciate we would potentially have to play elsewhere for a season, albeit I do not know if that is for certain but I think it would be worth it.
I get your point and like the idea but to demolish and rebuild would be very expensive and as stated elsewhere the footprint is still very small for a modern stadium. Do we even own the land? Thought it was the council? Plus County could hold us to ransom on rent, we would have no option.
Here is my thought on stadium as it stands:
Peter Taylor stand Decrepit as we know
Brian Clough stand. Aging, poor executive boxes, doesnt meet modern standards
Trent End. Poor 2 tier design, most home ends are single tier to improve atmosphere. Does anyone actually use the Castle Club or whatever its called?
Bridgford End. Restricted size due to nearby housing. It remains the only stand where we can house away fans as they can be corralled by police in the car park behind. Therefore if we increase capacity elsewhere we would probably want to increase away allocation. Would mean returning the whole end back to away fans.
All in all a bit of a dogs breakfast. Rebuilding each stand in turn would be sustainable but take years and probably involve compromising the final design. I like the idea of a bolt on to the back of the BC stand but whilst giving a few function rooms not sure it would achive much else.
Sorry but I keep coming back to the conclusion we need to move to a new purpose built site
How much it cost compared to acquiring the land elsewhere and building a purpose built stadium? I don’t know the answer and have never seen a feasibility study on it.
We don’t own the Freehold to the current site, just the Leasehold.
I suspect that a change to the design I suggest would grow the capacity to about 38000 and the away fans could be given the lower Bridgford stand which would be on the side of the ground retaining the atmosphere for home fans.
(12-07-2018, 02:00 AM)Hemp Power Wrote: ive heard it for 30 years or more in truth and I still dont actually se our attendences growing exponentially. a proper rebuild on amenties etc would be welcome but not for the purpose of attendence. 30k is enough
Nah, 30,000 is not enough. I guess if/when we returned to the premiership we would sell around 23 to 25,000 season cards. Around 3 to 5000 floating fasn who pick and chose their matches. When we play the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd, Man City, Everton, Newcastle and other clubs like Derby, Leeds, Sunderland, Villa, Leicester where they will bring many fans, we are looking at perhaps 5000 on top of 30,000 of our own. To miss out on those sort of pay days would be criminal and I dont think Marinakis's commercial team are likely to do that.
Teams like Fulhan, Cardiff, Watford and Palace, then we are more likely to be down to 25 to 28000.
I agree Woody, I'd guess that we are going to average around 26-27000 this season and that's with some away fans not selling all their allocation. No way that 30,000 would be enough in the PL. It's going to be interesting to see what the owners do about it should we get promoted soon.
(12-07-2018, 02:00 AM)Hemp Power Wrote: ive heard it for 30 years or more in truth and I still dont actually se our attendences growing exponentially. a proper rebuild on amenties etc would be welcome but not for the purpose of attendence. 30k is enough
Nah, 30,000 is not enough. I guess if/when we returned to the premiership we would sell around 23 to 25,000 season cards. Around 3 to 5000 floating fasn who pick and chose their matches. When we play the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd, Man City, Everton, Newcastle and other clubs like Derby, Leeds, Sunderland, Villa, Leicester where they will bring many fans, we are looking at perhaps 5000 on top of 30,000 of our own. To miss out on those sort of pay days would be criminal and I dont think Marinakis's commercial team are likely to do that.
Teams like Fulhan, Cardiff, Watford and Palace, then we are more likely to be down to 25 to 28000.
I agree Woody, I'd guess that we are going to average around 26-27000 this season and that's with some away fans not selling all their allocation. No way that 30,000 would be enough in the PL. It's going to be interesting to see what the owners do about it should we get promoted soon.
If we get promoted, then they will probably increase the cost of the kids, under 23 and over 65 season tickets. I suspect that some people have bought season tickets just because they are so cheap. Maybe the whole ground will be season ticket only (like Spurs, Chelsea, etc). Does it really matter that some people can't get tickets for the big games.
The money that is made by TV deal dwarfs the extra income from ticket sales. Playing in a sell-out City Ground every week has got to provide a great atmosphere.
Peter Taylor stand crying out to be knocked down and replaced, which surely would get capacity between 30-35k. However rest of the ground still dated.
The only way we'll get a bigger and better stadium would be a new build, but due to the limited size, planning and logistical problems it'd be built elsewhere.
20-08-2018, 01:54 PM (This post was last modified: 20-08-2018, 01:58 PM by Strawberry Avenger.)
(13-07-2018, 09:47 PM)Username Wrote:
(13-07-2018, 05:45 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I wondered about the rotate the pitch option too, also could potentially buy the bit of land between the ground and Lady Bay bridge, seems to be ised as a storage depot and environment agency building? We missed an opportunity with the Riverside development for sure, there was definitely something fishy about the JJMoores bid though.
Any development like this would mean a total rebuild, not sure if that is financially or logistically feasible.
I know this looks like it’s done by a 12 year old but it illustrates what I mean. The width of the pitch allows a higher Bridgford stand without creating the right to light issue.
I am genuinely confused as to why this isn’t an option?
I like the general abstract blue print in the pic'.
Radical idea, for me, is to let the Taylor Stand over hang the river in a cantilever style idea. Up, and back over the river. One wild idea I have is to build right over the river and create a river pavilion...to the other side. Lean back the upper tiers on all sides...use vaulted supports underneath.
Same with A Block. Use the width of the pitch to shuffle across. More room for Bridgeford to go up higher with 'right to light' not as much of a problem. BC Stand does need modernising. Could it have done better with it's two tier design?
Phased rebuild.
It just needs innovative construction. It's a world famous location. To keep it...and boost attendance capacity requires innovation. But Forest now have first class ownership. Let's see what they can come up with. Put it out to tender. Maybe get Norman Foster involved.
35-40k. Should be on the cards, filling in the corners as we phase construction around the ground. Taylor Stand could be the 1st part of a re-invented design. Modular rebuild and see the finished product over four or so years.
If we get promoted to the Premier League it's money would offset the loss in attendance for each stand.
SA.
Is there any reason why the City Ground can't get a world class design?
