(04-09-2022, 07:37 AM)Plymouth red Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 02:51 AM)JWJW Wrote: Johnson was woeful again. He is a passenger in the Premier League - should be dropped.

Worrall needs to be dropped, far too many mistakes.

Bournemouth sold Cook as he is not good enough for the PL....and now we are using him in the PL.........drop him.

McKenna, should be dropped as punishment for rank stupidity........if under pressure, put the ferking ball out of play, dont try to pass it.

Cooper has a lot to be blamed for........

I think he is trying to protect last seasons players....I mean, why start with LOB and Freuler against City........yes it easy to then say we lost so they lose their places........and so back comes Yates and all the others.  Poor management.  Play your best side......stop protecting last seasons players.  Johnson is another one........not offering anything, get him on from the bench late in the game.

Its time for some big changes - Copper does indeed need to look at himself and what he is doing.

If we lose the next 2 - Cooper will be sacked.  He needs to concentrate on winning and using the squad, not keeping last seasons boys happy.

I think a big problem is cooper doesn't yet know his best side. Last season it was easy as we didn't really have many options, now with all the  new signings, I think he's struggling to know his best xi

(04-09-2022, 07:49 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 02:51 AM)JWJW Wrote: Johnson was woeful again. He is a passenger in the Premier League - should be dropped.

Worrall needs to be dropped, far too many mistakes.

Bournemouth sold Cook as he is not good enough for the PL....and now we are using him in the PL.........drop him.

McKenna, should be dropped as punishment for rank stupidity........if under pressure, put the ferking ball out of play, dont try to pass it.

Cooper has a lot to be blamed for........

I think he is trying to protect last seasons players....I mean, why start with LOB and Freuler against City........yes it easy to then say we lost so they lose their places........and so back comes Yates and all the others.  Poor management.  Play your best side......stop protecting last seasons players.  Johnson is another one........not offering anything, get him on from the bench late in the game.

Its time for some big changes - Copper does indeed need to look at himself and what he is doing.

If we lose the next 2 - Cooper will be sacked.  He needs to concentrate on winning and using the squad, not keeping last seasons boys happy.

Why is he going to be sacked if we lose the next two sorry? Why are people so desperate to change manager every 30 seconds. Ffs what are you expecting to happen instead? You know who'd be a good appointment? Steve Cooper.

Worrall didn't make any mistakes in that game but ok. What did the other attacking players do that Brennan didn't?

(04-09-2022, 07:49 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 02:51 AM)JWJW Wrote: Johnson was woeful again. He is a passenger in the Premier League - should be dropped.

Worrall needs to be dropped, far too many mistakes.

Bournemouth sold Cook as he is not good enough for the PL....and now we are using him in the PL.........drop him.

McKenna, should be dropped as punishment for rank stupidity........if under pressure, put the ferking ball out of play, dont try to pass it.

Cooper has a lot to be blamed for........

I think he is trying to protect last seasons players....I mean, why start with LOB and Freuler against City........yes it easy to then say we lost so they lose their places........and so back comes Yates and all the others.  Poor management.  Play your best side......stop protecting last seasons players.  Johnson is another one........not offering anything, get him on from the bench late in the game.

Its time for some big changes - Copper does indeed need to look at himself and what he is doing.

If we lose the next 2 - Cooper will be sacked.  He needs to concentrate on winning and using the squad, not keeping last seasons boys happy.

Why is he going to be sacked if we lose the next two sorry? Why are people so desperate to change manager every 30 seconds. Ffs what are you expecting to happen instead? You know who'd be a good appointment? Steve Cooper.

Worrall didn't make any mistakes in that game but ok. What did the other attacking players do that Brennan didn't?

(04-09-2022, 07:58 AM)Paplane Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 07:49 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 02:51 AM)JWJW Wrote: Johnson was woeful again. He is a passenger in the Premier League - should be dropped.

Worrall needs to be dropped, far too many mistakes.

Bournemouth sold Cook as he is not good enough for the PL....and now we are using him in the PL.........drop him.

McKenna, should be dropped as punishment for rank stupidity........if under pressure, put the ferking ball out of play, dont try to pass it.

Cooper has a lot to be blamed for........

I think he is trying to protect last seasons players....I mean, why start with LOB and Freuler against City........yes it easy to then say we lost so they lose their places........and so back comes Yates and all the others.  Poor management.  Play your best side......stop protecting last seasons players.  Johnson is another one........not offering anything, get him on from the bench late in the game.

Its time for some big changes - Copper does indeed need to look at himself and what he is doing.

If we lose the next 2 - Cooper will be sacked.  He needs to concentrate on winning and using the squad, not keeping last seasons boys happy.

Why is he going to be sacked if we lose the next two sorry? Why are people so desperate to change manager every 30 seconds. Ffs what are you expecting to happen instead? You know who'd be a good appointment? Steve Cooper.

Worrall didn't make any mistakes in that game but ok. What did the other attacking players do that Brennan didn't?

Wassy, no one's wanting Cooper sacked, we're just being realistic, manager's that lose football matches  get sacked. Especially at Nottingham Forest, especially EM's managers and especially when an owner has pumped £150m quid in on players.

(03-09-2022, 08:09 PM)Redreg Wrote: Absolutely shocking ,  Cooper needs to hold his hands up formation and selection wrong , in 5 games it blatantly obvious we cant play a back 3 with our current squad , we got found out a few times last season’s but our small squad and lack of quality in depth and options leanded itself to a back 3 .
With our current CBs lack of mobility and New wingbacks not as quick in recovery we really need to play to our stengths .
Zincs actually a miss too as his defensive workrate is something we are missing.
KD and grabs did a great job holding the ball up and bringing others into play .
Now we have quality midfield options and think we are more suited to a 4-3-3 , we got overrun in midfield 2nd half and if had taken cook off and played O’Brien or frueler we would not of lost that game . Subs were like for like too . SC learning on job and needs to be critiqued too its not all the players fault .

(04-09-2022, 08:03 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 07:58 AM)Paplane Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 07:49 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 02:51 AM)JWJW Wrote: Johnson was woeful again. He is a passenger in the Premier League - should be dropped.

Worrall needs to be dropped, far too many mistakes.

Bournemouth sold Cook as he is not good enough for the PL....and now we are using him in the PL.........drop him.

McKenna, should be dropped as punishment for rank stupidity........if under pressure, put the ferking ball out of play, dont try to pass it.

Cooper has a lot to be blamed for........

I think he is trying to protect last seasons players....I mean, why start with LOB and Freuler against City........yes it easy to then say we lost so they lose their places........and so back comes Yates and all the others.  Poor management.  Play your best side......stop protecting last seasons players.  Johnson is another one........not offering anything, get him on from the bench late in the game.

Its time for some big changes - Copper does indeed need to look at himself and what he is doing.

If we lose the next 2 - Cooper will be sacked.  He needs to concentrate on winning and using the squad, not keeping last seasons boys happy.

Why is he going to be sacked if we lose the next two sorry? Why are people so desperate to change manager every 30 seconds. Ffs what are you expecting to happen instead? You know who'd be a good appointment? Steve Cooper.

Worrall didn't make any mistakes in that game but ok. What did the other attacking players do that Brennan didn't?

Wassy, no one's wanting Cooper sacked, we're just being realistic, manager's that lose football matches  get sacked. Especially at Nottingham Forest, especially EM's managers and especially when an owner has pumped £150m quid in on players.

Well I'd argue EM has been surprisingly patient with both Lamouchi and Hughton, waited until long after the fans turned before sacking them. So it'll need more than two defeats. The world cup break I'd probably and obvious time if you are going to make a change.

I actually find it disrespectful when people say he's spent 150m therefore will just make bad decisions when it comes to sacking a manager prematurely. I think he should be given more credit.

(04-09-2022, 08:01 AM)Paplane Wrote: I thought Cooper looked stressed in his post match yesterday. Said he wanted to show he could manage a side in a low point like a proper manager. Almost like he was doubting himself.

Yesterday was like he got a real taste of something he'd never experienced before. I hope the bloke can pull us through this, I really do.

(04-09-2022, 08:09 AM)DR Forest Wrote:

(03-09-2022, 08:09 PM)Redreg Wrote: Absolutely shocking ,  Cooper needs to hold his hands up formation and selection wrong , in 5 games it blatantly obvious we cant play a back 3 with our current squad , we got found out a few times last season’s but our small squad and lack of quality in depth and options leanded itself to a back 3 .
With our current CBs lack of mobility and New wingbacks not as quick in recovery we really need to play to our stengths .
Zincs actually a miss too as his defensive workrate is something we are missing.
KD and grabs did a great job holding the ball up and bringing others into play .
Now we have quality midfield options and think we are more suited to a 4-3-3 , we got overrun in midfield 2nd half and if had taken cook off and played O’Brien or frueler we would not of lost that game . Subs were like for like too . SC learning on job and needs to be critiqued too its not all the players fault .

I think we are suited to a back 3 Reg- just not the current back 3.
Bade Boly and Niakhate may well emerge as 3 of the 4 main CB’s in due course.
I think we will miss niakhate greatly- he was improving game by game before the injury.

(04-09-2022, 08:18 AM)tugger2018 Wrote: Time to drop worrall, cook, lingard and Johnson for me

Hendo
Biancone boly McKenna
Nico koyate obrien freuler Lodi
Mgw
Awani

(04-09-2022, 08:26 AM)Plymouth red Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 08:18 AM)tugger2018 Wrote: Time to drop worrall, cook, lingard and Johnson for me

Hendo
Biancone boly McKenna
Nico koyate obrien freuler Lodi
Mgw
Awani

My only concern is that could be morale smashing and look desperate. I recall hughton making massive changes in his last match and it backfired horrendously. He just came across as having lost the plot.

Throwing out a whole new team virtually sends out those 'desperate' vibes. He will need all his managerial experience and more to get the next side right