Is Vrentzos The New Mark Arthur, Should We Question Him?

[Paplane]

Assuming the content of my Junk mail folder is true and I have indeed inherited £100M from a Nigerian prince I fully intend to negotiate with Mr Marinakis to one day buy Forest.
When the day comes I can assure you I wont be doing a Zoom call with the players. No I will be bursting into the dressing room at half time to deliver some full on arse kickings in person. There is a way of doing things but EM was within his rights to lay down the law IMO.

Totally. Oh and £100m wont get you very far mate. Maybe you should be thinking about buying the sadpies instead.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Maybe. Never really mastered the art of the bathtime selfie though which I believe is required for that job.

[Paplane]

Maybe. Never really mastered the art of the bathtime selfie though which I believe is required for that job.

lol.

[wassy04]

I always thought Mark Arthur was protecting Nigel’s budget and, as such, ran the club well (generally) from a financial perspective...”allowing contracts to run down” I hear you say.

The way we conduct ourselves at the moment with our strategy in transfers makes me think that we don’t protect EMs investment in the same way.

If anything I would like us to act more in EMs interests as they are ultimately our own.

What are the allegations against Vrentzos? That he puts people under pressure to deliver results?, that he has acts as a guardian to the club's owners by forcing overplayed players out who are not performing? Nothing unusual for a ceo of a top company (or club in our case) is there? Pantmillion was poor, Carvalho too. I can see it, he can obviously see it. Maybe he also saw how MoN carried out his business and thought this is not going to work.

And this zoom call by EM. OK, set out in black and white it looks poor form from our owner, but does not everybody in an organisation have a boss who bollocks them when things aren't right? 

I'm not going to suddenly decide if I'm pro or anti Vrentzos all of a sudden because someone has clobbered him in public and there's a sudden witch hunt against an individual. I'll make my own mind up. I know absolutely nothing of the bloke. I could walk right past him and not realise who he is. But currently, I see improvements in the way the club is run year on year. This year we have a top manager and have brought in top players. That's what it's all about really.

All this criticism is ridiculous and could probably be levied at most other clubs in the country. Look at the S**t show down the road.

The only criticism I'm prepared to make is that someone needs to be speaking to the fans.

I think the main criticism is of overmanagement, interfering with the managers job and undermining them while also pressuring them for results. I agree I dont think its a clear black and white, bad or good but there are unresolved issues going back to Karanka that we never fully understood.

We all know something happened for karanka to do that interview after Ipswich (I think) where he sounded like we'd lost despite the fact we'd won. Things collapsed from there and he walked. Not saying this is Vrentzos (DT clearly is) but something happened!

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Assuming the content of my Junk mail folder is true and I have indeed inherited £100M from a Nigerian prince I fully intend to negotiate with Mr Marinakis to one day buy Forest.
When the day comes I can assure you I wont be doing a Zoom call with the players. No I will be bursting into the dressing room at half time to deliver some full on arse kickings in person. There is a way of doing things but EM was within his rights to lay down the law IMO.

Totally. Oh and £100m wont get you very far mate. Maybe you should be thinking about buying the sadpies instead.

:D :D

[Username]

I always thought Mark Arthur was protecting Nigel’s budget and, as such, ran the club well (generally) from a financial perspective...”allowing contracts to run down” I hear you say.

The way we conduct ourselves at the moment with our strategy in transfers makes me think that we don’t protect EMs investment in the same way.

If anything I would like us to act more in EMs interests as they are ultimately our own.

What are the allegations against Vrentzos? That he puts people under pressure to deliver results?, that he has acts as a guardian to the club's owners by forcing overplayed players out who are not performing? Nothing unusual for a ceo of a top company (or club in our case) is there? Pantmillion was poor, Carvalho too. I can see it, he can obviously see it. Maybe he also saw how MoN carried out his business and thought this is not going to work.

And this zoom call by EM. OK, set out in black and white it looks poor form from our owner, but does not everybody in an organisation have a boss who bollocks them when things aren't right? 

I'm not going to suddenly decide if I'm pro or anti Vrentzos all of a sudden because someone has clobbered him in public and there's a sudden witch hunt against an individual. I'll make my own mind up. I know absolutely nothing of the bloke. I could walk right past him and not realise who he is. But currently, I see improvements in the way the club is run year on year. This year we have a top manager and have brought in top players. That's what it's all about really.

All this criticism is ridiculous and could probably be levied at most other clubs in the country. Look at the S**t show down the road.

The only criticism I'm prepared to make is that someone needs to be speaking to the fans.

I haven’t mentioned Vrentzos?

[Paplane]

I always thought Mark Arthur was protecting Nigel’s budget and, as such, ran the club well (generally) from a financial perspective...”allowing contracts to run down” I hear you say.

The way we conduct ourselves at the moment with our strategy in transfers makes me think that we don’t protect EMs investment in the same way.

If anything I would like us to act more in EMs interests as they are ultimately our own.

What are the allegations against Vrentzos? That he puts people under pressure to deliver results?, that he has acts as a guardian to the club's owners by forcing overplayed players out who are not performing? Nothing unusual for a ceo of a top company (or club in our case) is there? Pantmillion was poor, Carvalho too. I can see it, he can obviously see it. Maybe he also saw how MoN carried out his business and thought this is not going to work.

And this zoom call by EM. OK, set out in black and white it looks poor form from our owner, but does not everybody in an organisation have a boss who bollocks them when things aren't right? 

I'm not going to suddenly decide if I'm pro or anti Vrentzos all of a sudden because someone has clobbered him in public and there's a sudden witch hunt against an individual. I'll make my own mind up. I know absolutely nothing of the bloke. I could walk right past him and not realise who he is. But currently, I see improvements in the way the club is run year on year. This year we have a top manager and have brought in top players. That's what it's all about really.

All this criticism is ridiculous and could probably be levied at most other clubs in the country. Look at the S**t show down the road.

The only criticism I'm prepared to make is that someone needs to be speaking to the fans.

I haven’t mentioned Vrentzos?

Wasnt coming back at you, just adding to your argument mate.

[Username]

Apologies, I misunderstood

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Widdow vrentzos is the COE he does the financial stuff he doesn't go around scouting players and saying we will sign him and we will sign him. We have a recruitment team that does that. Just because DT says this or that it doesn't make him right. I really don't want to start all this again so i will stop now  :cool:

[Tricky]

Widdow vrentzos is the COE he does the financial stuff he doesn't go around scouting players and saying we will sign him and we will sign him. We have a recruitment team that does that. Just because DT says this or that it doesn't make him right. I really don't want to start all this again so i will stop now  :cool:

It doesn't necessarily make him wrong either Sniff

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Not saying it does but we only ever here one side of the story. I am sure Vrentzos version of events would be very different. People hanging on every word that DT says but he obviously has a personal beef with vrentzos. Two sides of every story...

[Widdow]

Not saying it does but we only ever here one side of the story. I am sure Vrentzos version of events would be very different. People hanging on every word that DT says but he obviously has a personal beef with vrentzos. Two sides of every story...

So why doesn’t Vrentzos come out of hiding in his office and do an interview for once ??