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The game at Burton last year being the perfect example. Lucky not to get a red when ( already on a yellow ) he threw himself to the ground in the vain hope of winning a penalty.
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29-08-2018, 09:21 AM
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(28-08-2018, 11:17 PM)Grabban’s Beard Wrote: (28-08-2018, 10:37 PM)wassy04 Wrote: Can’t speak about alleged fallings out etc but I am pretty disappointed about this sale. I will preface that by saying I was significantly more gutted about Burke. He looked like he was going to tear up the league that year whereas BB was second choice.
I really rated Ben have watched him play for a few years, he did well despite warbs playing him as a wide winger. He’s got impressive feet confidence and a decent finish on him. He had some obvious flaws, he struggled badly in the air despite his height, which doesn’t help when compared to Murphy. He also didn’t have the greatest touch but then neither does harry Kane. I think if he works on his heading and gets a bit stronger there’s a quality player in there. A loan deal to league one similar to Cummings would’ve been my preference. Get him some goals for half a season and get some confidence.
I think he’ll be a success at Blackburn, seems like they intend to build their entire team round him. I think ultimately if we go up due to his replacement then all will be forgiven but right now I’m waiting to be impressed. I’d be interested to know who’s call it was to sell to, selling an academy star massively puts the pressure on karanka (if it was his choice l, I doubt it was)
You think they will build their team around him. Wow. After five games and no goals, he’ll be on the bench for them, and probably on loan next season. Great deal I think. Hi, by the way.
Hi! Of course they will, rightly or wrongly they’ve spent their entire budget on him so they will definitely put him as the focal point of the attack. I would guess he’ll score around 10 this season’s maybe 15 at a push
(29-08-2018, 08:30 AM)Username Wrote: (28-08-2018, 10:37 PM)wassy04 Wrote: Can’t speak about alleged fallings out etc but I am pretty disappointed about this sale. I will preface that by saying I was significantly more gutted about Burke. He looked like he was going to tear up the league that year whereas BB was second choice.
I really rated Ben have watched him play for a few years, he did well despite warbs playing him as a wide winger. He’s got impressive feet confidence and a decent finish on him. He had some obvious flaws, he struggled badly in the air despite his height, which doesn’t help when compared to Murphy. He also didn’t have the greatest touch but then neither does harry Kane. I think if he works on his heading and gets a bit stronger there’s a quality player in there. A loan deal to league one similar to Cummings would’ve been my preference. Get him some goals for half a season and get some confidence.
I think he’ll be a success at Blackburn, seems like they intend to build their entire team round him. I think ultimately if we go up due to his replacement then all will be forgiven but right now I’m waiting to be impressed. I’d be interested to know who’s call it was to sell to, selling an academy star massively puts the pressure on karanka (if it was his choice l, I doubt it was)
How do we measure that he’ll be a success?
Goals scored?
Minutes played?
Blackburn’s league position?
Goals scored primarily I would suggest. Not expecting him to tear the league apart this year but I think he’ll get double figures.
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not once did he thank our club . the club which gave him his pro debut. obviously left on bad terms.
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I think we need to be realistic about what kind of striker we're going to get in (presuming we get one). Grabban is very much first choice, and Karanka has been talking up Murphy which suggests that he'll still have a major part to play this season. That makes me think there's no way we'll get someone like Abraham, because Chelsea will want him to go somewhere and play regularly (not to mention the cost involved).
We might not like it, but I think a Gestede or Olivieira is a far more likely signing.
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(29-08-2018, 10:38 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: I think we need to be realistic about what kind of striker we're going to get in (presuming we get one). Grabban is very much first choice, and Karanka has been talking up Murphy which suggests that he'll still have a major part to play this season. That makes me think there's no way we'll get someone like Abraham, because Chelsea will want him to go somewhere and play regularly (not to mention the cost involved).
We might not like it, but I think a Gestede or Olivieira is a far more likely signing.
You might not like it!
I personally think Oliviera is a perfect choice:
1) Knows the club,
2) Was reasonably successful here (in a team set up to not concede),
3) Has a certain amount of quality about him, and definitely goals in him
4) Is available probably at a cut price as Norwich will be desperate to get rid and his stock is low at the moment
5) Might come for a reasonable wage as he needs to leave there to get his career going again
6) Will be desperate to get a move
7) Would have an affinity to the other Portuguese here
8) Is an experienced Champ player now
ticks all the boxes IMO.
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(29-08-2018, 11:00 AM)Paplane Wrote: (29-08-2018, 10:38 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: I think we need to be realistic about what kind of striker we're going to get in (presuming we get one). Grabban is very much first choice, and Karanka has been talking up Murphy which suggests that he'll still have a major part to play this season. That makes me think there's no way we'll get someone like Abraham, because Chelsea will want him to go somewhere and play regularly (not to mention the cost involved).
We might not like it, but I think a Gestede or Olivieira is a far more likely signing.
You might not like it!
I personally think Oliviera is a perfect choice:
1) Knows the club,
2) Was reasonably successful here (in a team set up to not concede),
3) Has a certain amount of quality about him, and definitely goals in him
4) Is available probably at a cut price as Norwich will be desperate to get rid and his stock is low at the moment
5) Might come for a reasonable wage as he needs to leave there to get his career going again
6) Will be desperate to get a move
7) Would have an affinity to the other Portuguese here
8) Is an experienced Champ player now
ticks all the boxes IMO.
It was a royal 'we.' I wouldn't be unhappy to see Olivieira back either.
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(29-08-2018, 11:03 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: (29-08-2018, 11:00 AM)Paplane Wrote: (29-08-2018, 10:38 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: I think we need to be realistic about what kind of striker we're going to get in (presuming we get one). Grabban is very much first choice, and Karanka has been talking up Murphy which suggests that he'll still have a major part to play this season. That makes me think there's no way we'll get someone like Abraham, because Chelsea will want him to go somewhere and play regularly (not to mention the cost involved).
We might not like it, but I think a Gestede or Olivieira is a far more likely signing.
You might not like it!
I personally think Oliviera is a perfect choice:
1) Knows the club,
2) Was reasonably successful here (in a team set up to not concede),
3) Has a certain amount of quality about him, and definitely goals in him
4) Is available probably at a cut price as Norwich will be desperate to get rid and his stock is low at the moment
5) Might come for a reasonable wage as he needs to leave there to get his career going again
6) Will be desperate to get a move
7) Would have an affinity to the other Portuguese here
8) Is an experienced Champ player now
ticks all the boxes IMO.
It was a royal 'we.' I wouldn't be unhappy to see Olivieira back either.
We agree then, apologies. I personally wouldn't have been unhappy if he'd come in as our no1 choice striker target.
If he does come in though he's going to be way below the required fitness levels I'd imagine.
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We probably wouldn’t have to offer him guaranteed first team football either.
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If they can score from set pieces I'm all for them, tired of seeing corners knowing we not utilising the advantage. With that being said maybe help us the other end of the pitch as well.
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(29-08-2018, 09:21 AM)wassy04 Wrote: (28-08-2018, 11:17 PM)Grabban’s Beard Wrote: (28-08-2018, 10:37 PM)wassy04 Wrote: Can’t speak about alleged fallings out etc but I am pretty disappointed about this sale. I will preface that by saying I was significantly more gutted about Burke. He looked like he was going to tear up the league that year whereas BB was second choice.
I really rated Ben have watched him play for a few years, he did well despite warbs playing him as a wide winger. He’s got impressive feet confidence and a decent finish on him. He had some obvious flaws, he struggled badly in the air despite his height, which doesn’t help when compared to Murphy. He also didn’t have the greatest touch but then neither does harry Kane. I think if he works on his heading and gets a bit stronger there’s a quality player in there. A loan deal to league one similar to Cummings would’ve been my preference. Get him some goals for half a season and get some confidence.
I think he’ll be a success at Blackburn, seems like they intend to build their entire team round him. I think ultimately if we go up due to his replacement then all will be forgiven but right now I’m waiting to be impressed. I’d be interested to know who’s call it was to sell to, selling an academy star massively puts the pressure on karanka (if it was his choice l, I doubt it was)
You think they will build their team around him. Wow. After five games and no goals, he’ll be on the bench for them, and probably on loan next season. Great deal I think. Hi, by the way.
Hi! Of course they will, rightly or wrongly they’ve spent their entire budget on him so they will definitely put him as the focal point of the attack. I would guess he’ll score around 10 this season’s maybe 15 at a push
(29-08-2018, 08:30 AM)Username Wrote: (28-08-2018, 10:37 PM)wassy04 Wrote: Can’t speak about alleged fallings out etc but I am pretty disappointed about this sale. I will preface that by saying I was significantly more gutted about Burke. He looked like he was going to tear up the league that year whereas BB was second choice.
I really rated Ben have watched him play for a few years, he did well despite warbs playing him as a wide winger. He’s got impressive feet confidence and a decent finish on him. He had some obvious flaws, he struggled badly in the air despite his height, which doesn’t help when compared to Murphy. He also didn’t have the greatest touch but then neither does harry Kane. I think if he works on his heading and gets a bit stronger there’s a quality player in there. A loan deal to league one similar to Cummings would’ve been my preference. Get him some goals for half a season and get some confidence.
I think he’ll be a success at Blackburn, seems like they intend to build their entire team round him. I think ultimately if we go up due to his replacement then all will be forgiven but right now I’m waiting to be impressed. I’d be interested to know who’s call it was to sell to, selling an academy star massively puts the pressure on karanka (if it was his choice l, I doubt it was)
How do we measure that he’ll be a success?
Goals scored?
Minutes played?
Blackburn’s league position?
Goals scored primarily I would suggest. Not expecting him to tear the league apart this year but I think he’ll get double figures.
So if he scores ten goals he’s a success and worth £7m?
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I think they’d be happy with that return maybe 15. When you’re buying a 19 yr old you don’t just judge them on one season. As long as his value increases I think they’ll be happy
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29-08-2018, 01:22 PM
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(29-08-2018, 11:00 AM)Paplane Wrote: (29-08-2018, 10:38 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: I think we need to be realistic about what kind of striker we're going to get in (presuming we get one). Grabban is very much first choice, and Karanka has been talking up Murphy which suggests that he'll still have a major part to play this season. That makes me think there's no way we'll get someone like Abraham, because Chelsea will want him to go somewhere and play regularly (not to mention the cost involved).
We might not like it, but I think a Gestede or Olivieira is a far more likely signing.
You might not like it!
I personally think Oliviera is a perfect choice:
1) Knows the club,
2) Was reasonably successful here (in a team set up to not concede),
3) Has a certain amount of quality about him, and definitely goals in him
4) Is available probably at a cut price as Norwich will be desperate to get rid and his stock is low at the moment
5) Might come for a reasonable wage as he needs to leave there to get his career going again
6) Will be desperate to get a move
7) Would have an affinity to the other Portuguese here
8) Is an experienced Champ player now
ticks all the boxes IMO.
Very much agree.
(29-08-2018, 01:17 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I think they’d be happy with that return maybe 15. When you’re buying a 19 yr old you don’t just judge them on one season. As long as his value increases I think they’ll be happy
So 15 goals or more is a success for this season?
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