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Hughton's record in this Division is pretty good

Newcastle promoted at the first attempt

Birmingham 4th place finish at the first attempt

Brighton Play off finish at the first attempt followed by promotion the following season.
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I wanted Cook but I'm starting to lean towards Pearson, given our owner/fans penchant for changes. Why not bring in the guy that only does one year stints anyway. He's made but he's effective and getting a quick response out of a team
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I Just wish the club would just either announce he is staying or he has gone. This speculation isn't good for the fans or the players.
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(06-10-2020, 02:03 PM)Mcforest Wrote: I Just wish the club would just either announce he is staying or he has gone. This speculation isn't good for the fans or the players.

Agree Mac. But I’m guessing that negotiations re compensation etc prevent any such announcement.
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If hes gone mcforest the players will already know, they will just have to keep silent about it
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(06-10-2020, 01:49 PM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote: Hughton's record in this Division is pretty good

Newcastle promoted at the first attempt

Birmingham 4th place finish at the first attempt

Brighton Play off finish at the first attempt followed by promotion the following season.

That is pretty impressive actually. And not to forget that he managed to keep Brighton in the PL for a couple of seasons.
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(06-10-2020, 02:09 PM)northeastred Wrote: If hes gone mcforest the players will already know, they will just have to keep sikent about it

I’d wager players don’t know. The chances of them all keeping quiet are next to nil  :(
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Out of interest did colback play / play well under hughton?
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Brighton fans grateful to him and he got them up but this is overview from Brighton and Norwich fans and it all sounds pretty similar to what we have been putting up with. Negative football.

Negative football. Like-for-like substitutions. A steadfastness to change. Expensive forwards signed from the Netherlands who fail to fire in the Premier League. Is history repeating itself for Chris Hughton?

All the problems that ultimately led to his departure from Norwich City in April 2014 seem to be resurfacing at the Amex. Hughton was in his second season of Premier League management back then as well and, just like with the Albion, he had led Norwich to safety relatively comfortably in his first campaign.

Just how much of a comparison can be drawn between Norwich City in 2014 and Brighton and Hove Albion in 2019? Has Hughton learnt anything from the inglorious way in which his near two-year spell at Carrow Road came to an end? And where do the Albion go from here as we appear to be limping towards Premier League survival?

We spoke to Connor Southwell of TalkNorwichCity.com in a far-reaching interview about where it all went wrong for Hughton at Norwich and what lessons there might be for the Albion.






Negative football
One of the biggest bugbears that Brighton supporters seem to have with Hughton is his negative approach to games, which is best summed up by the recent record-breaking 12 hours and 15 minutes that we managed to go without a goal. Connor tells us that Norwich fans had similar complaints.

“It’s fair to say it was negative. Norwich fans struggle to recall any performances under Hughton that provoke any ounce of excitement, to be honest. It was a particular problem given that he arrived after the club was playing such vibrant, fearless and attacking football under Paul Lambert. Attempting to win games converted into trying not to lose them, with the team becoming more structured and the football being overly pragmatic.”

“Recalling the season prior to Hughton’s arrival, Norwich survived in the Premier League because of their ability to score goals and attack games. Regardless of if they were travelling to Old Trafford, the Etihad or the Emirates, they would attempt to make it difficult but, crucially, would have a go at their opponents.”

“Under Hughton, they displayed respect to almost every opponent they faced. Equally, they weren’t competent enough defensively to emphasise that side of the game and game management was non-existent. In a heavy defeat to Aston Villa in his reign, Hughton described the need to ‘consolidate’ at 3-1 down to ensure they didn’t lose by a more significant margin. They lost 4-1.”

Echoes there of the recent 5-0 home defeat to Bournemouth there in which Hughton said afterwards that he feared it could have been even worse. In comments that will also sound familiar to Brighton supporters used to seeing Glenn Murray often stationed without a blue and white shirt anywhere near him and Dale Stephens always look for a sideways pass, Connor added, “We had wingers with no licence to attack, midfielders who were conservative and focused on defensive positioning and a centre forward left isolated.”

Like-for-like substitutions
It’s very rare that you’ll see Hughton try and change a game with a substitution. His changes tend to be like-for-like and only arrive after the 60th minute. The epitome of this approach came in the Bournemouth game when, trailing 2-0 and needing a goal to get back into the game, Hughton replaced Florin Andone with Glenn Murray. Boos reigned down from across the Amex at that decision.

That chimes with Connor. “Somebody recently reminded me of a substitution he made when Norwich was trailing a game at home. As opposed to opting for replacing a defensively minded player for someone to bolster the attacking side of the game, he replaced one left back for another. No sign of injury, this was merely tactical. Funnily enough, Norwich didn’t come back in that game.”

“After Norwich, he should have learnt the lessons needed to self-improve such as making changes to influence the game, yet it appears he’s not reflected in the way some would have hoped.”

Dire away form
Whilst the Albion’s form all round at the minute is a real cause for concern, it wasn’t so long ago that the main gripe of Brighton supporters centred mainly on what was happening when he we hit the road. Hughton would always set out the Albion out to defend it’s way to a point no matter who the opponents were with very little ambition shown when away from home to actually try and win games. That’s reflected in the fact that we’ve won just five away games in the Premier League out of 37 since winning promotion. Hughton’s overall record away from home as a top flight manager makes for equally depressing reading – only 12 wins from 81.

Connor says that Norwich’s wretched form on the road was one of the contributing factors to the calls for Hughton to go. “The away home was a massive reason; it was almost as though attacking phases of play were redundant, which was bizarre considering the squad he inherited was one which, by design, was encouraged to attack and score goals. It was conservative at home, away it was uninspiring and drab. Performances were devoid of energy or excitement and away wins were a collector’s item. It was almost like that side constructed by Paul Lambert went from being allowed all the sweets to being rationed onto apples.”






Sticking with something that plainly isn’t working
Whilst Brighton’s collapse from being 12 points clear of the relegation zone to relying on Cardiff losing their final two games can be traced back to the moment Hughton moved away from 4-4-1-1 in favour of 4-3-3, Connor highlights Hughton’s refusal at Carrow Road to try anything other than the first of those formations as playing a huge part in his downfall.

“We played 4-4-1-1, with restrained wingers operating with a defensive focus in front of full backs not given a licence to attack and express themselves. Tactically, Norwich were always predictable and easy to play against. You only need to cast your eyes on the goals conceded column to witness that the defensive regime being implemented by Hughton and his staff wasn’t having the desired impact. I’d argue it was more of a lack of change, both tactically and stylistically, that cost Hughton ultimately.”

Here at least it appears as though he has learnt something from the Canaries experience. It’s easy to forget that at the time that Hughton changed from 4-4-1-1 to 4-3-3, many Albion supporters were calling for it as well. Seemingly, Hughton at Norwich would never have entertained a tactical or stylistic adjustment and he paid the ultimate price for it.

Ironically, doing the complete opposite to what cost him his job at Carrow Road might cost him his job at the Amex. The formation change has proven to be a total disaster, destabilised the team and turned us from a side who were solid defensively and could cause some problems going forward into a team who can’t defend for toffee and are lucky to have more than one shot on target per game.

What hasn’t changed is either his stubbornness or inability to acknowledge when something isn’t working. At Norwich, he refused to change at all. With Brighton, he’s made the change but then refused to reverse it when it plainly hasn’t worked for two months; despite the fact that pretty much everybody who has watched the Albion since Burnley won 3-1 at the Amex back in February has been able to see the multiple problems caused by playing 4-3-3.

Players concerns about the style of football
A delegation of senior Albion players, led by Glenn Murray, is said to have approached Hughton before the Bournemouth game and asked the manager to consider adopting a more attacking approach. He apparently refused. This isn’t the first time that Hughton’s players have been left frustrated by his conservatism either – it happened at Carrow Road as well.

“Speaking to ex-Norwich defender Leon Barnett, he talked about the difficulty the dressing room had in adapting to Hughton’s methods,” Connor tells us, adding, “Grant Holt has stated his frustration publicly, as have many others.”

Holt in fact said that it was Hughton’s negative style of football that played a part in his decision to leave Carrow Road and Premier League football in favour of dropping down to the Championship with Wigan Athletic in the summer of 2013.

Holt told the BBC, “On a matchday I wasn’t enjoying the way we were playing – we were set up more defensively. I was still enjoying being at the club but I wasn’t enjoying the tactics. If anyone had seen the way I was last season, I always try and do it on the pitch regardless, but everyone could see I wasn’t happy with the way it was going, the way the team was playing and my role in the team. I had just had enough really.”
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Exactly the reasons I do not want hughton
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It’s perhaps why he is still looking for a new job 18 months since left Brighton even with a successful cv
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Have to say that doesn't make for great reading?!?

I was under the impression he was a bit more adventurous than that. What about his promotion seasons? Were these reports all from when he was trying to have relatively poor teams survive the prem? In which case it's more understandable?
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