Right Then Who Do You Want?

[Shawoddyred]

Here we go again. Hop on board The Nottingham Forest managerial merry go round.

Same sh1it, different  season.   Are we honestly expecting a different outcome? Or just hopeful....again.

I still hoped for the 2 weeks and the 3 games in 6 days with Sabri to turn it around.

Bit unfair that Zico. Most managers would have been gone after Stoke but EM stuck with Sabri to give him a chance to turn things around. Unfortunately he's failed to do that.

Chris Wilder has lost 6 on the bounce and not a murmur about the sack. I agree with Zico. Insanity = persistently taking the same actions and expect I g a different outcome. The chances of sacking Sabri and some football genius coming along and getting us promoted are extremely slim. Supporting a manager even through sticky periods when fans are clamouring for change is far more likely to be a successful strategy in the end. Sabri has not become a bad manager overnight. There are so many examples of clubs sticking with a manager and reaping the benefits later. Fat too many to mention. I thought there were signs on Saturday. It was the best performance for a long time and on another day could have won. Let's just be a bit more patient and see if the players turn it around.

People do not become bad managers overnight, no. But perhaps he's not as good as you think he is. I would say he performed significantly better before he had the chance to instil his playing methods and training methods into the team, essentially he had a new manager bounce in the first half of last season. 

Your quote of 'Insanity = persistently taking the same actions and expecting a different outcome'....perhaps you should tell your mate Sabri that one.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

It's Chris Houghton for me, he knows how to win promotion.

So does Gary Megson  :)

Yeah but he was a complete t**t.

:D

[Alf]

As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wrong agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

[Paplane]

As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

Yep pretty much agree with that. He needs to adjust the approach to take advantage of the players he has now. If he doesn't and gets sacked then it's only him who is to blame.

[wassy04]

I think Sow has been the biggest miss for Sabri, the results properly dropped off after he got injured. He was class before he got injured tbf. Felt like the formation was built around him and allowed Watson to sit deep and pass.

[GaribaldiRED]

As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

Yep pretty much agree with that. He needs to adjust the approach to take advantage of the players he has now. If he doesn't and gets sacked then it's only him who is to blame.

I believe you will have to give the team a bit more time before concluding on what they are capable of. Is it 13 new players if Grosicki signs today?

[Alf]

As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

Yep pretty much agree with that. He needs to adjust the approach to take advantage of the players he has now. If he doesn't and gets sacked then it's only him who is to blame.

I believe you will have to give the team a bit more time before concluding on what they are capable of. Is it 13 new players if Grosicki signs today?

Just to explain my thought process.........

I've seen Christie a decent amount at previous clubs, Derby the main one obv, and I'd definitely say his strength is in attack not defence.

Soh & McKenna - two players who have never played in the Championship before. I don't think I need to see much of them to assume they won't have Dawson's experience. But yes I am assuming they can't pass like him, but not many Championship CB's can as he's a Prem quality player who has just gotten old. 

Colback I've also seen plenty of, as I'm sure many of us have on here. He made some decent forward passes, but I don't ever recall him spreading the ball around - especially to the flanks - like Watson did last year. In fact I think that Watson's & Daws passing is one of our biggest misses currently.

[Paplane]

As a big fan of Sab, the problem I see is that the core of what worked for him last year isn't now available this year.

Sab built a team on the following solid defence:

Cash - sold
Daws - past it
Worrall - injured
Ribero - victim of off having the wring agent
Watson - released
Sow - never recovered from injury properly

This new squad doesn't have the same strength defensively IMO (e.g. Christie is a good attacking FB, but frail defensively, Soh & McKenna don't have Daws experience or ability to pass, Colback is a good player, but can't "Pirlo" like Watson)

I won't grumble if Sab gets more time, but our strength now lies in having several players - Freeman, Grabban, Taylor & Grosicki - who are proven goalscorers at this level.

That is where the focus should lie, and if Sab doesn't make that his focus, he's the wrong man for this squad.

Yep pretty much agree with that. He needs to adjust the approach to take advantage of the players he has now. If he doesn't and gets sacked then it's only him who is to blame.

I believe you will have to give the team a bit more time before concluding on what they are capable of. Is it 13 new players if Grosicki signs today?

Just to explain my thought process.........

I've seen Christie a decent amount at previous clubs, Derby the main one obv, and I'd definitely say his strength is in attack not defence.

Soh & McKenna - two players who have never played in the Championship before. I don't think I need to see much of them to assume they won't have Dawson's experience. But yes I am assuming they can't pass like him, but not many Championship CB's can as he's a Prem quality player who has just gotten old. 

Colback I've also seen plenty of, as I'm sure many of us have on here. He made some decent forward passes, but I don't ever recall him spreading the ball around - especially to the flanks - like Watson did last year. In fact I think that Watson's & Daws passing is one of our biggest misses currently.

So the question to ponder is when Sabri arrived, did he just happen to be lucky and find the club already had the players capable of playing the system he wanted to, or did he formulate the system based on the players who were here?

The more I see of his rigid approach I'm minded to think it's the former rather than the latter, as the players have gone but the system remains and he seems unwilling to change it, until the team goes 2 down at which point he throws caution to the wind. As I said above, if he cant change or adapt the system, he can have no quarms when he gets the bullet as it's clear it's not working any more.

[Alf]

Yup, pretty much my thinking Paplane

[ozzyten10]

I expected him to be gone by now

[Marinakis Red]

I did too! Maybe he is hanging on in there for another game.

[Paplane]

I did too! Maybe he is hanging on in there for another game.

He's said he wanted players with championship experience and he's recently been saying he needs a winger. Today the club seem to be trying to sign a winger with Championship experience. Sounds to me like they are still buying him players......