Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager

[Strawberry Avenger]

Need to stick with a manager for a few windows. Lot of these are playing for the first time for forest .

:cool:

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

The die is cast..?

Forest didn't want the patient develop youth approach.  Forest sacked Warburton.

Forest want the promoted in one season with experience approach..?

"Which way is the right way?"  Said Alice.

SA.

[Plymouth red]

Karanka is frustrating in his dogma of playing two deep defensive midfielders regardless of where we play and who we play - almost as if he doesn't trust the back four. It was noticeable that we improved significantly only after Osborn came on - ultimately was it necessary to play such a defensive formation against a side that had not scored in over 270 minutes of football.

Furthermore it means we create very little going forward. Against Reading, we won but did not create many opportunities. Against Bury we had one shot on target in 90 minutes. Against Birmingham our first shot on target was the goal. Ultimately people have criticized Grabban and Murphy but what service and support have they had? How many times have we got behind their full backs? How many times have we caught teams on the counter attack? Our play under Karanka is very one dimensional, slow and easy to predict. It looks like the players who start are scared to take risks and try things so they play sideways or backwards while the more creative players go missing.

I hope that against Brentford we will play with more tempo because if we play like we have in last four games we will be well beaten

[the jock]

I think karanka will never ever change the formation. he wants to master it .

emery does it at arsenal. kevin Campbell said on twitter when using this formation the fullbacks need to attack as much as possible and give support.

[Strawberry Avenger]

I think karanka will never ever change the formation. he wants to master it .

emery does it at arsenal. kevin Campbell said on twitter when using this formation the fullbacks need to attack as much as possible and give support.

They sacked Wenger the puritan.  Now they have Emery?

Ironic parallel.

SA.

[Alf]

He's also gone & killed things for those with a connection to some of the players already here, especially the young guns. The likes of Brereton & Worrall's progression was something which I was enjoying, and that's now binned off too. Heck I even thought Walker was starting to come on last year.

I did feel sorry for young Tyler last season. He hustled his way back into the team & was far from our worst player when he got there, bagging 4 goals & 2 assists in about a dozen starts. Hull city's fans raved about him when we beat them 2-3 up there, & let's not forget he got the winner against Newcastle in the cup last year. Then we changed manager, he got half a game & was packed off on loan. 

Times moved on but I did think he got a little bit of a rough deal.

Brereton does make me sad because it does look like it's happening now & it does look like we're selling cheap. It does remind me a bit of the "spat" at Middlesbrough when they signed Rhodes, Gibson had backed Karanka to the hilt & then when he'd spent all the budget he demanded they signed Rhodes. Gibson was unhappy, there was fall outs, walk outs & some thought it was the end, but in the end Gibson decided he'd invested to much to back out & relented & brought Rhodes in.

I suspect that late in the day AK has requested another addition & to cover that, as we've already maxed out the credit card we've had to sell to buy, which turns it from a seller's market into a buyer's market, meaning we'll sadly lose Ben to early & to cheaply.

I really wish we could keep Ben, but as with Gibson at 'boro, we've committed so much to the project that we don't feel we can risk it by not completing the jigsaw.

It's a big gamble because if it doesn't pay off we've sold a hot young property, cheaply, for no real good.

Same with Worrall, I'd love to see him used here, because he really does epitomise what this clubs about, but again I understand AK's thinking, he knows if he falls short he will lose his job so he's not going to take risks in key areas, he'd rather experience, eg. Dawson, Watson, Murphy than youth like Worrall, Yates & Brereton who are learning their trade & need time & nurturing.

It is what it is

I can't say it's the path I would have taken, but we've taken that path now so we just have to back it & see how it plays out.

A wise saying indeed ::)

The thing is, regardless of whether those decisions which involve our youth turn out to be practically correct or not, just the act of "ousting" academy players is enough to kill a lot of the connection/enjoyment what fans have with the club. We could go up and it'd still be under a black cloud for some.

I'm nowhere near as committed to the youth setup as others are, for me it's about seeing the first team do well - that's what I pay my money for - but plenty of fans invest in the dream of Forest grown talent taking us up. AK does himself no favours killing that dream, and killing it to only play crap is even worse.

We've basically gone from being a mid-table team last year which included youth, played attacking football, scored a fair few and made a financial profit; to still being a mid-table team but with less youth, crap football, scoring little & spending loads. It's easy to see why some aren't happy sacrificing a lot of our principles just to tread water.

It feels like there's a black cloud hanging over the club at the mo, and that's been created by a lot of our actions such as ousting the youth. AK needs to change that, lift it & give us all a breath of fresh air, or he is the wrong man for us. Time will tell.

[PsychoStooge]

My main hope at the moment is that the current regime aren't as influenced by forums and social media as the last were because if they are Karanka isn't gonna last much longer and neither is any manager. There is very little patience from our fans and this loop of sacking and hiring managers half way through a season needs to stop, fans moan when that happens but honestly they're the ones asking for it.

[Alf]

My main hope at the moment is that the current regime aren't as influenced by forums and social media as the last were because if they are Karanka isn't gonna last much longer and neither is any manager. There is very little patience from our fans and this loop of sacking and hiring managers half way through a season needs to stop, fans moan when that happens but honestly they're the ones asking for it.

From what I've heard they barely pay attention to fans, and are very set in their ways. Odd fan I know has tried to suggest odd things since they've been here, and they just weren't interested.

However, I still don't think this bodes well for AK, as they expect success, and won't tolerate average results for long either. If you look at EM's history with managers he will sack anyone who isn't being successful.

After invest the money he has, I 100% believe he not only expects us to be firmly rooted in the top 6, but also competing to win the league too. Anyone who buys into this "2 year plan" speil is niave IMO. he's not invested 25m to wait around several years, he's invested that to get immediate results.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Em not only sacks managers for not being successful, he also sacks managers who have been successful under his ownership.

He will always back his managers with new signings, always. However once that backing has been made then he expects his managers to deliver and to deliver quickly. Whether it's right or wrong or whether we agree with it or not, that's how it's going to be for the duration of his time of being our owner.

[PsychoStooge]

I think it's fair enough saying he needs to be top 6 this season but that would represent a manager getting a whole season though, that hasn't happened in a long time at Forest and my earlier point was more regarding fans who have clearly decided Karanka won't be successful here after 5 games of a new season and will decide the same of the next manager and so on.

[Alf]

I think it's fair enough saying he needs to be top 6 this season but that would represent a manager getting a whole season though, that hasn't happened in a long time at Forest and my earlier point was more regarding fans who have clearly decided Karanka won't be successful here after 5 games of a new season and will decide the same of the next manager and so on.

It's not just the 5 games though is it? It's inheriting a club 14th last year, adding 10 players, and finishing 17th.

Let's be honest, last year was abysmal under AK, with the odd highlight season end with the pressure off. Fans were understanding and wanted to see him backed & given his team to start this campaign.

That's happened & we can't beat Bury, Wigan or Brum. With Brum a team who haven't gained 1pts away all season, nor scored 1 goal away all season until they play us.

It's poor, whichever way folk paint it AK's tenure here so far has been well below par & makes a bit of the mockery of the backing he's had too.

It's early days for this season yet, but AK seems to be chopping & changing hoping to hit a magic formula than having any real plan. Personally I'd have expected last year's highlights under AK - Cash & Lolley - to have been the first names on the teamsheet this year.

He signed 47 players at Boro, and I'm starting to wonder if his method is simply spend until you accidentally stumble across a combination which works. Either way I've not seen anything to warrent the hyped-up reputation which he had coming here. Personally I think he's yet to show any of the nouse which SOD, Davies, even Dougie did.

[PsychoStooge]

I think it's fair enough saying he needs to be top 6 this season but that would represent a manager getting a whole season though, that hasn't happened in a long time at Forest and my earlier point was more regarding fans who have clearly decided Karanka won't be successful here after 5 games of a new season and will decide the same of the next manager and so on.

It's not just the 5 games though is it? It's inheriting a club 14th last year, adding 10 players, and finishing 17th.

Let's be honest, last year was abysmal under AK, with the odd highlight season end with the pressure off. Fans were understanding and wanted to see him backed & given his team to start this campaign.

That's happened & we can't beat Bury, Wigan or Brum. With Brum a team who haven't gained 1pts away all season, nor scored 1 goal away all season until they play us.

It's poor, whichever way folk paint it AK's tenure here so far has been well below par & makes a bit of the mockery of the backing he's had too.

It's early days for this season yet, but AK seems to be chopping & changing hoping to hit a magic formula than having any real plan. Personally I'd have expected last year's highlights under AK - Cash & Lolley - to have been the first names on the teamsheet this year.

He signed 47 players at Boro, and I'm starting to wonder if his method is simply spend until you accidentally stumble across a combination which works. Either way I've not seen anything to warrent the hyped-up reputation which he had coming here. Personally I think he's yet to show any of the nouse which SOD, Davies, even Dougie did.

Well from my POV he inherited a squad that was far too weak and full of coasters and had been for god knows how long, Karanka was the first manager that had the bollocks to actually do something about it which isn't easy to do in January. 

I could name you a few managers who were hired at the back end of Championship seasons recently, didn't improve the league position when they took over and then went on to have successful seasons the next year. So what happened last season in terms of league position means very little to me. 

I'm not trying to paint it as anything other than it is, which is 5 games into a new season, not long enough for anyone to prove anything, which is also why I'm not raving about being unbeaten because it really doesn't mean much. 

But I'm not gonna argue with people who want him sacked, they're well entitled to that opinion, especially if they pay money and aren't happy. It's not surprising, as I said our fans have been like that for a while, I just don't think they'll ever see success while they want the manager sacked every half season.