Sabri Will He Stay Be Sacked Or Quit

[Jean_claude_killy]

Lamouchi as a man I like him for that reason I would give him another chance. I'm not interested in sacking. It's not worked before. The form after xmas is a concern. We just didnt have a good enough squad.

Hopefully he will learn from this and the rest of the club too. Need to stop these last minute goals and be more positive .

Its water under the bridge now we cant change it.

There was an article in today's Athletic co penned by both Taylor's; at the end of the articles was a very telling quote from Lamouchi regarding the mental strength of the team:

“My nature is that I am an optimist. I know the atmosphere that has been around but what am I to do? I can understand what has happened here over many, many years but I was not here before… We need to change the mentality. But to change the mentality in a short space of time is not easy.”

Skill will only get you so far; there is no substitute for having the discipline and guile to close out games, to batten down the hatches when things are not going to plan - we just do not have those players.

Lolley clean through on goal in the first half and bottled it; he would usually not have thought twice about shooting.

Cash and Ribeiro went completely off the reservation during the second half, their defending was shambolic.

You could go through the entire team.

There is no leadership on the pitch and we will continue to struggle until we get some.

[the jock]

Dead right Jean claude I agree

[ThePromisedLand]

Was told lamouchi identified 3 players that he wanted. One way or another these didnt happen.

None of them were signings we made.

Bohaken would not move mid season and neither would Gonzalez; Grosicki and Freeman turned us down for differing reasons.

It is just no good relying on the January window any more; the number of Clubs who bother with the window are declining each year.

It is a sellers market; transfer fees and wages are inflated beyond belief; the only use the window will have in future will be for the loan market.

We wont get our transfer activity right until we stop changing managers every 10 minutes; once EM realises that we might just start to make some progress; ironically, EM took that approach with Olympiakos at the beginning of last season and experienced great success with many players increasing in value after being written off the season before.

Modesto and Anigo have come in for a lot of criticism, some of which may be correct, but they started the season scouting players for MON and then just when the window opened they had a change in manager; that change must have made life very difficult for them.

You could say, that is what they get paid for, and that would be correct, nevertheless it will have an impact.

We now have a window opening on Monday and you would hope that the scouting team are fully prepared for it; the last thing we need is a change of manager and the upheaval that brings.

The supporters will need to temper their expectations though because we will not be going balls out in trying to buy promotion; and that is because we cant.

The P & S rules have been relaxed a little but that does not give EM any more room to spend; a wage cap will be implemented and that spells bad news for us.

To give you an idea of what we are up against, our wage bill in the last set of accounts was 29m; the expected wage ceiling is 18m.

That wage spend in the last set of accounts was a marked jump on the previous years spend; that was down to paying off some of the fringe players to leave.

The wage spend on the previous years accounts was much lower; I did a rough calculation giving an average wage of around 17k per week.

If the new wage cap gets voted in at the rumoured rate, which equates to a 25 man squad totalling 18m per year in wages with under 21s excluded, we are faced with an average wage of around 14k per week.

The upshot is we have to lose around 4m in wages which is not a very good starting point as far as attracting players goes.

Hear what you say JK - but surely any wage cap can not be enforced in the coming season. That would create chaos in half the clubs in the division - particularly those coming down from the Premier League. For that reason any cap would surely not come into force until the 21/22 season earliest.

[Jean_claude_killy]

Was told lamouchi identified 3 players that he wanted. One way or another these didnt happen.

None of them were signings we made.

Bohaken would not move mid season and neither would Gonzalez; Grosicki and Freeman turned us down for differing reasons.

It is just no good relying on the January window any more; the number of Clubs who bother with the window are declining each year.

It is a sellers market; transfer fees and wages are inflated beyond belief; the only use the window will have in future will be for the loan market.

We wont get our transfer activity right until we stop changing managers every 10 minutes; once EM realises that we might just start to make some progress; ironically, EM took that approach with Olympiakos at the beginning of last season and experienced great success with many players increasing in value after being written off the season before.

Modesto and Anigo have come in for a lot of criticism, some of which may be correct, but they started the season scouting players for MON and then just when the window opened they had a change in manager; that change must have made life very difficult for them.

You could say, that is what they get paid for, and that would be correct, nevertheless it will have an impact.

We now have a window opening on Monday and you would hope that the scouting team are fully prepared for it; the last thing we need is a change of manager and the upheaval that brings.

The supporters will need to temper their expectations though because we will not be going balls out in trying to buy promotion; and that is because we cant.

The P & S rules have been relaxed a little but that does not give EM any more room to spend; a wage cap will be implemented and that spells bad news for us.

To give you an idea of what we are up against, our wage bill in the last set of accounts was 29m; the expected wage ceiling is 18m.

That wage spend in the last set of accounts was a marked jump on the previous years spend; that was down to paying off some of the fringe players to leave.

The wage spend on the previous years accounts was much lower; I did a rough calculation giving an average wage of around 17k per week.

If the new wage cap gets voted in at the rumoured rate, which equates to a 25 man squad totalling 18m per year in wages with under 21s excluded, we are faced with an average wage of around 14k per week.

The upshot is we have to lose around 4m in wages which is not a very good starting point as far as attracting players goes.

Hear what you say JK - but surely any wage cap can not be enforced in the coming season. That would create chaos in half the clubs in the division - particularly those coming down from the Premier League. For that reason any cap would surely not come into force until the 21/22 season earliest.

That was my first impression but it looks like the Clubs are determined to implement it from the coming season; there is already an agreement in place for L1 and L2 clubs.

They may well reach a compromise were it is phased in over the course of this season and next.

The rumour I heard was that relegated PL clubs will have a notional 10k per week placed on all of their current squad players and the new level applied to any new signings.

Its coming, and not before time

[Paplane]

A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date. And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.

[Paplane]

Was told lamouchi identified 3 players that he wanted. One way or another these didnt happen.

None of them were signings we made.

Bohaken would not move mid season and neither would Gonzalez; Grosicki and Freeman turned us down for differing reasons.

It is just no good relying on the January window any more; the number of Clubs who bother with the window are declining each year.

It is a sellers market; transfer fees and wages are inflated beyond belief; the only use the window will have in future will be for the loan market.

We wont get our transfer activity right until we stop changing managers every 10 minutes; once EM realises that we might just start to make some progress; ironically, EM took that approach with Olympiakos at the beginning of last season and experienced great success with many players increasing in value after being written off the season before.

Modesto and Anigo have come in for a lot of criticism, some of which may be correct, but they started the season scouting players for MON and then just when the window opened they had a change in manager; that change must have made life very difficult for them.

You could say, that is what they get paid for, and that would be correct, nevertheless it will have an impact.

We now have a window opening on Monday and you would hope that the scouting team are fully prepared for it; the last thing we need is a change of manager and the upheaval that brings.

The supporters will need to temper their expectations though because we will not be going balls out in trying to buy promotion; and that is because we cant.

The P & S rules have been relaxed a little but that does not give EM any more room to spend; a wage cap will be implemented and that spells bad news for us.

To give you an idea of what we are up against, our wage bill in the last set of accounts was 29m; the expected wage ceiling is 18m.

That wage spend in the last set of accounts was a marked jump on the previous years spend; that was down to paying off some of the fringe players to leave.

The wage spend on the previous years accounts was much lower; I did a rough calculation giving an average wage of around 17k per week.

If the new wage cap gets voted in at the rumoured rate, which equates to a 25 man squad totalling 18m per year in wages with under 21s excluded, we are faced with an average wage of around 14k per week.

The upshot is we have to lose around 4m in wages which is not a very good starting point as far as attracting players goes.

Hear what you say JK - but surely any wage cap can not be enforced in the coming season. That would create chaos in half the clubs in the division - particularly those coming down from the Premier League. For that reason any cap would surely not come into force until the 21/22 season earliest.

That was my first impression but it looks like the Clubs are determined to implement it from the coming season; there is already an agreement in place for L1 and L2 clubs.

They may well reach a compromise were it is phased in over the course of this season and next.

The rumour I heard was that relegated PL clubs will have a notional 10k per week placed on all of their current squad players and the new level applied to any new signings.

Its coming, and not before time

All it'll do is bring forward the point at which the premier league becomes its own football entity and the epl and efl go it alone. Maybe simialr to college football and the nfl in america, or the two codes of rugby.

[Jean_claude_killy]

A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date.  And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.

No, if the clubs vote for it, it will happen.

There is no ceiling on what a club can pay a particular player; the club will have to balance that out over the 25 man squad.

Pay a player 25k per week and you will need a good few under 21's in the squad to balance that out.

Surplus players may have to be ring fenced as far as wages go; effectively meaning they cannot play unless they leave

Paying moderate players a kings ransom has to stop and the sooner the better

[Paplane]

A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date.  And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.

No, if the clubs vote for it, it will happen.

There is no ceiling on what a club can pay a particular player; the club will have to balance that out over the 25 man squad.

Pay a player 25k per week and you will need a good few under 21's in the squad to balance that out.

Surplus players may have to be ring fenced as far as wages go; effectively meaning they cannot play unless they leave

Paying moderate players a kings ransom has to stop and the sooner the better

Ah, ok. All makes sense but i still doubt that it could be implemented without a transition period. And the premier league would no doubt threat to hold back solidarity payments to protect their member clubs' interests.

[ThePromisedLand]

The PFA will do what unions do - some way to go on this I feel, even if it’s the right thing to do.

[Jeff Stelling]

The downside with getting new managers so regularly is that the players can't get into a rhythm when it comes to tactics/playing styles... so if he has been sacked (and I hope he hasn't) then it basically is gonna be us going back to the beginning :huh:

[Tricky]

A contract's a contract. The efl wouldn't be able to amend the legal terms between two parties who entered into the contract, unless the government changed the law which isnt going to happen. Any wage cap will surely only be able to apply to new contracts entered into after the implementation date.  And then some player or the pfa will challenge it through the courts, like Bosman did.

Unless of course the change is approved by the PFA! They are the players representatives and contractual changes can be implemented through a collective agreement between the two sides...............in this case the EFL and the PFA.

It is certainly debatable whether the PFA would go along with this proposal, as it would be going against the best interests of their members. But if the EFL argue the case that if this doesn't happen, then many professional footballers will lose their jobs as clubs may fold, then that is a different issue for them to decide. Do they protect jobs or over inflated wages?

[Tricky]

The downside with getting new managers so regularly is that the players can't get into a rhythm when it comes to tactics/playing styles... so if he has been sacked (and I hope he hasn't) then it basically is gonna be us going back to the beginning :huh:

Welcome to the Forum Jeff!!