Nottingham Forest - Cardiff City

[Paplane]

We weren't that bad and we did create chances, Cardiff are a horrible team but they got their tactics spot on. Agree our final ball was poor too often, Lolley especially guilty and our corners awful too, what happened to Silva’s set piece taking? It was the one thing he could do right at the start of the season, improved every other area but now cant play a dead ball. Carv anonymous as was Adomah when he came on but all in all we have probably played worse and won eg vs Barnsley.
Oh and if we ever for some reason end up signing Gary Madine I promise I will throw my season ticket in the Trent.

Thought the very same myself. His set pieces was the only reason for picking him early on this season.

[Alf]

Yates or Sow start instead of Carvalho & we at least get a point from that today.

Sorry Alf dont agree at all. It was the final ball missing, Lolley, Silva, Ameobi, Cash and the rest. And Sow and Yates are never creative players, dont see how either would have helped.
You are just having a go at Carv for the sake of it now, I have said myself he was poor but thats not why we lost.

That's a fair point, but it's that final ball problem which I think we needed them for.

With Yates & Sow the pressure gets put back on to Cardiff more, and we'd force more errors from them IMO. Bully our way through rather than looking to craft it.

More than 1 way to skin a cat as they say.

[zicorice]

Yates or Sow start instead of Carvalho & we at least get a point from that today.

Sorry Alf dont agree at all. It was the final ball missing, Lolley, Silva, Ameobi, Cash and the rest. And Sow and Yates are never creative players, dont see how either would have helped.
You are just having a go at Carv for the sake of it now, I have said myself he was poor but thats not why we lost.

That's a fair point, but it's that final ball problem which I think we needed them for.

With Yates & Sow the pressure gets put back on to Cardiff more, and we'd force more errors from them IMO. Bully our way through rather than looking to craft it.

More than 1 way to skin a cat as they say.

Agree with this. Small details. Silva never stood a chance in the air, so many times the 2nd ball was a headed duel for Silva, which he lost. Yates would more often then not headed the ball 15 or 20 yards back up the pitch. Sometimes you fight fire with fire within the 90 mins.

[ozzyten10]

If Yates or sow playing then Cardiff don’t score. They would have been all over Mendes-Laing I n my opinion. Also carvalho went off too early and was the wrong sub. Lolley Ameobi and silva should have gone off before him and Mir should have come on earlier with carvalho behind the front 2. I was actually very mpressed with Mir who was very unlucky with the handball block.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Yates or Sow start instead of Carvalho & we at least get a point from that today.

Sorry Alf dont agree at all. It was the final ball missing, Lolley, Silva, Ameobi, Cash and the rest. And Sow and Yates are never creative players, dont see how either would have helped.
You are just having a go at Carv for the sake of it now, I have said myself he was poor but thats not why we lost.

That's a fair point, but it's that final ball problem which I think we needed them for.

With Yates & Sow the pressure gets put back on to Cardiff more, and we'd force more errors from them IMO. Bully our way through rather than looking to craft it.

More than 1 way to skin a cat as they say.

Agree with this. Small details. Silva never stood a chance in the air, so many times the 2nd ball was a headed duel for Silva, which he lost. Yates would more often then not headed the ball 15 or 20 yards back up the pitch. Sometimes you fight fire with fire within the 90 mins.

Yates.  A massive miss vs Cardiff.  His height, power and robust style.  You need players like that in CM.  Not midgets who can't head a ball.  

It cost the team at least a point yesterday.  He'll reflect at length on his red card.  But learn from it.

Personally, I'm praying for the day Forest can put out Watson, Yates and Sow into the side to put the boot into 'Cardiff.'  And by that I mean any side 'like that.'  Fight fire with fire.  And brute force blow them away.  Force them to make the mistake.  That's how the goal came from Cardiff.  A bit of pressure, sustained and 'goal.'  

It will be a day long remembered.  I can't wait.  We know it's inevitable, right?

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

If Yates or sow playing then Cardiff don’t score. They would have been all over Mendes-Laing I n my opinion. 

Amen.   :cool:

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Cardiff were fortune that the footballing fates conspired against Forest.

I'd like to see Dawson, Yates, Sow back in the side.

As soon as possible. And emergency reinforcements on the wing and up front as well. Possibly another midfield player with class and guile and the robust/experience to back it up.

SA.

[PsychoStanleyStone]

Cardiff were fortune that the footballing fates conspired against Forest.

I'd like to see Dawson, Yates, Sow back in the side. 

As soon as possible.  And emergency reinforcements on the wing and up front as well.  Possibly another midfield player with class and guile and the robust/experience to back it up.

SA.

i think the team need serious shooting practice and decision making in the opposing penalty area

our best chance was about 20 seconds in, Sammy totally fluffed his lines, Carv's chance on 15 minutes was, for his type of ability, a sitter .... they scored 1 minute later

i like players to shoot even from outside the area but the accuracy, power and technique was the most pathetic ever

it looked a brilliant positive move to start Carv, but doesn't suit him when we are chasing a game

alot of our play, winning the ball, intricate bits of skill and first time passing was generally excellent ... until the 'D'

[McDurban]

Game spoiling teams that would 'old man' a naive Forest under Warburton or show their pedigree class vs Forest's hobbits are consigned largely to history.  But that 'muck and nettles' nemesis that still gift wraps teams like Cardiff (who haven't won away all season?) their 'duck.' 

I'd sulk.  But we've been here so many times before.  Against those 'physical', time wasting, park the bus sides.

Wigan, Hull and now Cardiff.  These are those 'one of those days' sides.  It's cost 9 points.

Summer showed a change of tack in understanding the kind of players 'we' (Forest) need to recruit to get out of 'this' league.  And Wigan, Hull, Cardiff all showed where Forest's squad a short.  It's cost 9 points.  All three teams were 'beatable' but not by Forest's squad toolset available to them.  All teams will have an off day in the championship.  Forest have had 3 that really come to mind including todays.  It's one goal.  But that lapse cost Forest a draw.  (I won't say a win.)

And it will only be addressed by work in the transfer window.  2-3 players.  Robust, 'play the game' and can 'play a bit' style players.  Match winners.

This was the kind of game that Forest prob' missed Dawson's leadership at the back and definitely Sow in the middle.

A Collymore style striker.  An Ollie Watkins.  A physical player who can just run at a defence and make something instead of waiting for it to fall on their lap.

Ironic that Tomlin was on their side.  I noticed with a wry smile he'd tumbled into Watson and 'gamed' a free kick and it was around this time of conceding cheap possession in 'our' half that the goal came.  You 'knew' it was coming.

And it shook Forest.  That's a sign of a team still in progress.  No shame in that.  Forest were a top 12-ish side last season.  They are currently a top 6 (4!) side.

Restoring Dawson and Sow to the side will help.  But they need 2-3 players with power, guile, match winning will and goal scoring capability.

Leeds and WBA are find that 'inevitable' win each week and the die seems cast?  Having played both of them we seemed short of their quality.  They're further down the line.  They've stuck with it longer.  We're still chasing their cycle of development.  i.e. we're playing catch up.

More to come.  But that will mean another transfer window if any remote possibility of a top 2 aspiration is be anything more than mere words.

SA.

I think we needed a Darryl Murphy or Dele Adebola more than an Colymore or Watkins. We needed some big muscle in the box with the number of crosses that were coming in. When there are 10 defenders in and around the box no amount of guile will get you in, just a mistake. What you need is a target man to meet the ball in the air then the wingers can focus on getting the ball to him.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I think we have only won once against Cardiff in our last 10 matches against them. Hope they don't climb the table and get into the play offs  :@

[optimistic_red]

Madine won virtually every header against Figueiredo, it gave them an out every time. Dirty b*stard, but effective.

I think Carvalho was in the team so we could play through them, but we keep trying to go around.
Could easily have won that several nil but wasn't our day. Not helped by ref letting them get away with challenge after challenge.