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I had heard that Semedo is struggling to settle, anyone heard anything similar?

[Kranky]

Rafa Mir's first full league debut must be one of the worst in history. I was shocked at how bad he was.

I hope i never have the misfortune of seeing that donkey play again.

[Tricky]

Carvalho is obviously very talented but always feel he could do so much More. He dominated Middleborough in a terrific performance  last season but I can remember alot of mediocre performances too. He's not undroppable .

Yeah you’re right, but he certainly isn’t the only one. And no one’s undroppable absolutely no one. 

But I think some of the hatred towards him comes from the transfer fee we paid for him. It’s not his fault we paid slightly over the odds for his services. It’s not our money so don’t worry about it.

Can someone actually post some evidence of that accusation please?

No because there is no evidence.

Hatred towards him is a very strong and inaccurate description of the way some fans view him. Critical is more of an accuracy.

I will admit that I do not see what many others do in him. I do not see why so many start chanting his name when he is warming up. Apart from the odd run in space or the odd decent pass, he brings nothing else to the side. He is a mediocre player with the odd flash of brilliance. For a lot of games, we may as well be playing with 10 men because his contribution is so minimal. He is too lightweight, pulls out of tackles, does not challenge for aerial balls and does not track back if he has lost the ball. It always seems like he is scared of hurting himself when he makes a challenge so does it half-heartedly. Can we really afford to carry a player week in, week out in the hope that he does that moment of brilliance?

I was making the same points about him last season, but was shot down with the excuses, 'he is still adapting to a new style of football', 'He is a young lad in a foreign country, he will need time to adapt', etc etc. He has been at the club for over a year now, those excuses are no longer valid. I don't care what anybody says, Mendez had our pants down when we agreed to sign Carv for the money we paid, much as i hate to say so.

When you compare him to Matty Cash or Joe Worrall, who are the same age (22), you cannot use the excuse he is still a young lad learning the game. Neither Cashy or Wozza are afraid to get stuck in and put in some thunderous challenges to win back the ball. For me, they are worth far more in value than Carv is and they cost us nothing to acquire.

No this isn't a rant against one of our players, like we see on Twatter. It is me giving my honest opinion on what I see in one of our players. I don't wear rose tinted glasses. I sincerely hope he goes on to prove me wrong. I will happily eat humble pie, will hold my hands up on here and admit that I was wrong about him. But at this moment in time, I can't see that happening

[Paplane]

Wozza and Cash are defenders so its unfair to compare their ability to get stuck in. He's different to them.

The problem he/we have is that he doesnt naturally drop into this Sabri system. Hes having to be accommodated or hes been played on the left, which lessens his impact on games.

We payed crazy money (god know why/how) for him but i cant ever see us getting a return on the investment by selling him. His market value must be about 4mill now. Ive not given up on him yet, but cant see he's going to do much under this coach. And i dount any future coach will want to build a team around him either like AK did.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Carvalho is obviously very talented but always feel he could do so much More. He dominated Middleborough in a terrific performance  last season but I can remember alot of mediocre performances too. He's not undroppable .

Yeah you’re right, but he certainly isn’t the only one. And no one’s undroppable absolutely no one. 

But I think some of the hatred towards him comes from the transfer fee we paid for him. It’s not his fault we paid slightly over the odds for his services. It’s not our money so don’t worry about it.

Can someone actually post some evidence of that accusation please?

No because there is no evidence.

Hatred towards him is a very strong and inaccurate description of the way some fans view him. Critical is more of an accuracy.

I will admit that I do not see what many others do in him. I do not see why so many start chanting his name when he is warming up. Apart from the odd run in space or the odd decent pass, he brings nothing else to the side. He is a mediocre player with the odd flash of brilliance. For a lot of games, we may as well be playing with 10 men because his contribution is so minimal. He is too lightweight, pulls out of tackles, does not challenge for aerial balls and does not track back if he has lost the ball. It always seems like he is scared of hurting himself when he makes a challenge so does it half-heartedly. Can we really afford to carry a player week in, week out in the hope that he does that moment of brilliance?

I was making the same points about him last season, but was shot down with the excuses, 'he is still adapting to a new style of football', 'He is a young lad in a foreign country, he will need time to adapt', etc etc. He has been at the club for over a year now, those excuses are no longer valid. I don't care what anybody says, Mendez had our pants down when we agreed to sign Carv for the money we paid, much as i hate to say so.

When you compare him to Matty Cash or Joe Worrall, who are the same age (22), you cannot use the excuse he is still a young lad learning the game. Neither Cashy or Wozza are afraid to get stuck in and put in some thunderous challenges to win back the ball. For me, they are worth far more in value than Carv is and they cost us nothing to acquire.

No this isn't a rant against one of our players, like we see on Twatter. It is me giving my honest opinion on what I see in one of our players. I don't wear rose tinted glasses. I sincerely hope he goes on to prove me wrong. I will happily eat humble pie, will hold my hands up on here and admit that I was wrong about him. But at this moment in time, I can't see that happening

The thing is I want to be entertained. What are you going to remember next week or even when you get home at 6pm on Saturday, that a player put in 20 tackles and then each time pumped the ball 30 yards up the pitch? Or the moment that Carvalho did a shimmy and put in a slide rule pass to Grabban for the winning goal?

we have 10 other players who can put in the work. I agree I want to see him involved more and am frustrated too but ultimately its the flash of brilliance that makes forking put for a season ticket worthwhile.

[Paplane]

Yeah you’re right, but he certainly isn’t the only one. And no one’s undroppable absolutely no one. 

But I think some of the hatred towards him comes from the transfer fee we paid for him. It’s not his fault we paid slightly over the odds for his services. It’s not our money so don’t worry about it.

Can someone actually post some evidence of that accusation please?

No because there is no evidence.

Hatred towards him is a very strong and inaccurate description of the way some fans view him. Critical is more of an accuracy.

I will admit that I do not see what many others do in him. I do not see why so many start chanting his name when he is warming up. Apart from the odd run in space or the odd decent pass, he brings nothing else to the side. He is a mediocre player with the odd flash of brilliance. For a lot of games, we may as well be playing with 10 men because his contribution is so minimal. He is too lightweight, pulls out of tackles, does not challenge for aerial balls and does not track back if he has lost the ball. It always seems like he is scared of hurting himself when he makes a challenge so does it half-heartedly. Can we really afford to carry a player week in, week out in the hope that he does that moment of brilliance?

I was making the same points about him last season, but was shot down with the excuses, 'he is still adapting to a new style of football', 'He is a young lad in a foreign country, he will need time to adapt', etc etc. He has been at the club for over a year now, those excuses are no longer valid. I don't care what anybody says, Mendez had our pants down when we agreed to sign Carv for the money we paid, much as i hate to say so.

When you compare him to Matty Cash or Joe Worrall, who are the same age (22), you cannot use the excuse he is still a young lad learning the game. Neither Cashy or Wozza are afraid to get stuck in and put in some thunderous challenges to win back the ball. For me, they are worth far more in value than Carv is and they cost us nothing to acquire.

No this isn't a rant against one of our players, like we see on Twatter. It is me giving my honest opinion on what I see in one of our players. I don't wear rose tinted glasses. I sincerely hope he goes on to prove me wrong. I will happily eat humble pie, will hold my hands up on here and admit that I was wrong about him. But at this moment in time, I can't see that happening

The thing is I want to be entertained. What are you going to remember next week or even when you get home at 6pm on Saturday, that a player put in 20 tackles and then each time pumped the ball 30 yards up the pitch? Or the moment that Carvalho did a shimmy and put in a slide rule pass to Grabban for the winning goal?

we have 10 other players who can put in the work. I agree I want to see him involved more and am frustrated too but ultimately its the flash of brilliance that makes forking put for a season ticket worthwhile.

I was thinking that a week or so ago when I was watching Cardiff lump the ball into the box with little finesse.

Could be us now under Warnock had Fawaz not been so inept.

[Jean_claude_killy]

Well thank God for the ineptitude of Fawaz.

[zicorice]

Can someone actually post some evidence of that accusation please?

No because there is no evidence.

Hatred towards him is a very strong and inaccurate description of the way some fans view him. Critical is more of an accuracy.

I will admit that I do not see what many others do in him. I do not see why so many start chanting his name when he is warming up. Apart from the odd run in space or the odd decent pass, he brings nothing else to the side. He is a mediocre player with the odd flash of brilliance. For a lot of games, we may as well be playing with 10 men because his contribution is so minimal. He is too lightweight, pulls out of tackles, does not challenge for aerial balls and does not track back if he has lost the ball. It always seems like he is scared of hurting himself when he makes a challenge so does it half-heartedly. Can we really afford to carry a player week in, week out in the hope that he does that moment of brilliance?

I was making the same points about him last season, but was shot down with the excuses, 'he is still adapting to a new style of football', 'He is a young lad in a foreign country, he will need time to adapt', etc etc. He has been at the club for over a year now, those excuses are no longer valid. I don't care what anybody says, Mendez had our pants down when we agreed to sign Carv for the money we paid, much as i hate to say so.

When you compare him to Matty Cash or Joe Worrall, who are the same age (22), you cannot use the excuse he is still a young lad learning the game. Neither Cashy or Wozza are afraid to get stuck in and put in some thunderous challenges to win back the ball. For me, they are worth far more in value than Carv is and they cost us nothing to acquire.

No this isn't a rant against one of our players, like we see on Twatter. It is me giving my honest opinion on what I see in one of our players. I don't wear rose tinted glasses. I sincerely hope he goes on to prove me wrong. I will happily eat humble pie, will hold my hands up on here and admit that I was wrong about him. But at this moment in time, I can't see that happening

The thing is I want to be entertained. What are you going to remember next week or even when you get home at 6pm on Saturday, that a player put in 20 tackles and then each time pumped the ball 30 yards up the pitch? Or the moment that Carvalho did a shimmy and put in a slide rule pass to Grabban for the winning goal?

we have 10 other players who can put in the work. I agree I want to see him involved more and am frustrated too but ultimately its the flash of brilliance that makes forking put for a season ticket worthwhile.

I was thinking that a week or so ago when I was watching Cardiff lump the ball into the box with little finesse.

Could be us now under Warnock had Fawaz not been so inept.

This again! NG3 would be having a field day right now.I have raised my head above the parapet many times to state that Carvalho will be worth more than we paid for him in time.

He still isn't back up to speed since his injury, but whilst he does work very hard in terms of getting around the pitch his most important contribution is that  bit of magic to get us a goal. Whilst he is currently having a quiet time of it and is still in and out of the side, when he hits his straps I believe he will be our most important attack minded player.

This team doesn't create a huge number of chances, so the ones we do create need to be clear cut in order to maintain our good results. Carvhalho on song is by far our most creative player in terms of the magic pass or flick. I fully appreciate that the stats won't back this up this season, but he has yet to hit his straps following a particularly nasty injury.

I hope people aren't writing him off yet, a bit like the Yates debate, he is young, learning and suffered a degree of reversability due to his injury. But we also know what they are both capable of.

[the jock]

hes been back in training since first week in august. how long does it take a 22 year old to get fit? hes not 57 years old.

[zicorice]

hes been back in training since first week in august. how long does it take a 22 year old to get fit? hes not 57 years old.

He hasn't been in full training since then. Fitness and match fitness are very different things. Pros and ex pros talk about the initial adrenalin fuelled comebacks being followed by a dip. Generally, from what I have read and heard 4-6 matches is the norm to get into a good rhythm . Carvhalho has probably played less than that due to being in and out of the team-quite rightly on the whole.
I am just preaching a bit of patience I guess as I assume we all want to see the level of performance he showed vs Boro (h) or QPR ((A) on a more consistent basis.

[the jock]

I can certainly see where you are coming from zicorice and appreciate it for sure. its tougher trying to catch up having missed preseason . its vital really for the year ahead and its a shame what happened to him.

looking at his stats he played 78 mins against swansea september 14th. hopefully he will be in full swing coming into the busy xmas period.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I can certainly see where you are coming from zicorice and appreciate it for sure.  its tougher trying to catch up having missed preseason . its vital really for the year ahead and its a shame what happened to him.

looking at his stats he played 78 mins against swansea september 14th. hopefully he will be in full swing coming into the busy xmas period.

Don't hold your breath. He has a lot to do to convince me still.