Vitor Pereira - Our Manager

[Paplane]

Plus you don't criticise in public.

Not if you are educated.

This is always my view, you can be negative in private as much as you want but keep it private. Not going to earn people's respect by calling them out in public.

What about the players earning the fans' respect? Doesn't that count? IIRC we were baying for blood on that night and also IIRC I found Dyche's critical words afterwards reassuring.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

No such thing as one size fits all in management, judging by the antics of some of the current coaching staff I suspect some shouting and yelling still goes on.
Not defending Dyche but whatever you think of him he isnt stupid enough to treat everyone like an army sergeant major. Likewise as Pap says some definitely do need a kick up the backside every now and again, as we know our owner isnt shy of doing that himself if necessary.

Vitor's major plus point for me is his willingness to try different things and adapt to situations which Dyche was unwilling to do, that's what cost him his job.

Dyche treated some players very poorly.

I am stopping there because he still has his little fan club on here.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

No such thing as one size fits all in management, judging by the antics of some of the current coaching staff I suspect some shouting and yelling still goes on.
Not defending Dyche but whatever you think of him he isnt stupid enough to treat everyone like an army sergeant major. Likewise as Pap says some definitely do need a kick up the backside every now and again, as we know our owner isnt shy of doing that himself if necessary.

Vitor's major plus point for me is his willingness to try different things and adapt to situations which Dyche was unwilling to do, that's what cost him his job.

Dyche treated some players very poorly.

I am stopping there because he still has his little fan club on here.

No fan club certainly not from me. The issue from some people was that whatever you thought of Dyche, he was getting just enough results to keep us up. Many including me were unsure if Vitor would make things better or worse.

There are certainly encouraging signs and as stated Im very pleased he seems able to adapt tactically. If his style with players means he gets more out of them then thats great. Personally I don’t give a stuff whether the players like their manager or not (Lloyd hated Clough) as long as they get results.

[wassy04]

Plus you don't criticise in public.

Not if you are educated.

This is always my view, you can be negative in private as much as you want but keep it private. Not going to earn people's respect by calling them out in public.

What about the players earning the fans' respect? Doesn't that count? IIRC we were baying for blood on that night and also IIRC I found Dyche's critical words afterwards reassuring.

They do but as you said we were annoyed at them regardless. All Dyche did was cover himself by blaming them rather his ability to get them to play well together. Perhaps if he rotated the starting 11 more they wouldn't have come in so cold for that particular game. I think he was just being selfish blaming them and it certainly did not help the team improve which is surely the most important thing. (and eventually helped him lose his job given it seemed to be a player sacking)

I think the fact he specifically singled players out was bad too, if he came out and just said the whole team were poor, I made poor choices etc it would be fine.

I just want the guy that is going to get the best out of the team and that managerial strategy doesn't feel like the best approach and I can't think of many instances it has been successful.

[Marinakis Red]

No such thing as one size fits all in management, judging by the antics of some of the current coaching staff I suspect some shouting and yelling still goes on.
Not defending Dyche but whatever you think of him he isnt stupid enough to treat everyone like an army sergeant major. Likewise as Pap says some definitely do need a kick up the backside every now and again, as we know our owner isnt shy of doing that himself if necessary.

Vitor's major plus point for me is his willingness to try different things and adapt to situations which Dyche was unwilling to do, that's what cost him his job.

To be fair SM an Army Sargeant Major continues to coach his troops and provides insight plus detailed tactical awareness about the battles ahead despite the world class initial training they had received upon joining the army.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Plus you don't criticise in public.

Not if you are educated.

This is always my view, you can be negative in private as much as you want but keep it private. Not going to earn people's respect by calling them out in public.

What about the players earning the fans' respect? Doesn't that count? IIRC we were baying for blood on that night and also IIRC I found Dyche's critical words afterwards reassuring.

Unfortunately the players didn't find them reassuring Pap and it was the begining of the end for Dyche.

I am just trying to look forward now with Vitor having the squad united and singing from the same hymn sheet again.

[Paplane]

Plus you don't criticise in public.

Not if you are educated.

This is always my view, you can be negative in private as much as you want but keep it private. Not going to earn people's respect by calling them out in public.

What about the players earning the fans' respect? Doesn't that count? IIRC we were baying for blood on that night and also IIRC I found Dyche's critical words afterwards reassuring.

Unfortunately the players didn't find them reassuring Pap and it was the begining of the end for Dyche.

I am just trying to look forward now with Vitor having the squad united and singing from the same hymn sheet again.

Think we all are Sniff. I wanted Dyche out at the end so I have no axe to grind here but there seems to be some revisionism going on. I recall I was extremely pissed off after that Wrexham game and Dyche's words articulated exactly what I was thinking. I'm sure I wasn't alone either.

[wassy04]

Plus you don't criticise in public.

Not if you are educated.

This is always my view, you can be negative in private as much as you want but keep it private. Not going to earn people's respect by calling them out in public.

What about the players earning the fans' respect? Doesn't that count? IIRC we were baying for blood on that night and also IIRC I found Dyche's critical words afterwards reassuring.

Unfortunately the players didn't find them reassuring Pap and it was the begining of the end for Dyche.

I am just trying to look forward now with Vitor having the squad united and singing from the same hymn sheet again.

Think we all are Sniff. I wanted Dyche out at the end so I have no axe to grind here but there seems to be some revisionism going on. I recall I was extremely pissed off after that Wrexham game and Dyche's words articulated exactly what I was thinking. I'm sure I wasn't alone either.

Dyche's words may well have been what we all thought but as the manager that is not something he should be saying in public. Him making you feel better at the expense of the players probably not the greatest way to improve results. Unless he was going to call you up the following week of course...

[stirred]

Dyche criticized the players because they lost, and he was deflecting blame from himself. He’s basically admitted he never coached them properly in terms of patterns of play, approach to pressing each opponent etc.

If the players didn’t try, it they didn’t do what he asked them to do I’d understand some criticism in public especially if it’s a repeated thing, but he just turned them out without prep and blamed them for whatever went wrong.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Seems like we've moved on from blaming Nuno & Edu for everything that's happened this season to blaming Dyche for everything including the weather and the pies in the Trent End. Not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and he has himself to blame but some of the criticism is well over the top, I suspect there is an element of deflection away from other issues that have led to where we currently are.

None of that means that Vitor isnt making an impressive job of things so far, early days and still only one league victory but the direction seems to be upwards which it definitely wasn't before and huge credit to him for that.

[wassy04]

Seems like we've moved on from blaming Nuno & Edu for everything that's happened this season to blaming Dyche for everything including the weather and the pies in the Trent End. Not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and he has himself to blame but some of the criticism is well over the top, I suspect there is an element of deflection away from other issues that have led to where we currently are.

None of that means that Vitor isnt making an impressive job of things so far, early days and still only one league victory but the direction seems to be upwards which it definitely wasn't before and huge credit to him for that.

I disagree, I think my opinion has changed a lot since Dyche left and we've seen a different approach. Not even necessarily Vitor getting better results, just his methods, player selection, tactical changes etc just seem miles ahead and this is a guy that failed miserably at Wolves this season. Hardly paints Dyche in a successful light.

I'm not trying to blame Dyche for where we are really, just frustrated looking back and how some things were handled. Ultimately we got just about enough points under Dyche but there were so many other things that were done poorly outside of that. Treatment of players, quality of the football in general, tactics, player development, Europa League in general.

Anyway, he's gone and Vitor is here. Season is still salvageable and maybe even more than that!

[Paplane]

Seems like we've moved on from blaming Nuno & Edu for everything that's happened this season to blaming Dyche for everything including the weather and the pies in the Trent End. Not saying he didnt make a lot of mistakes and he has himself to blame but some of the criticism is well over the top, I suspect there is an element of deflection away from other issues that have led to where we currently are.

None of that means that Vitor isnt making an impressive job of things so far, early days and still only one league victory but the direction seems to be upwards which it definitely wasn't before and huge credit to him for that.

Yep, agree with all of that. Lets not let it be forgotten that Dyche came in and turned us around in no time at all. He had a pretty positive impact after the disastrous Ange appointment. But he had to go in the end when we all could see that his approach was just not going to work in the medium/long term for us (for whatever reason that was), and it was all going to fall part again.