Wrexham - Nottingham Forest

[DR Forest]

Oh FFS

Same old same old

The Dyche haters are out.

I am NOT defending Dyche - but it’s not his squad and the fact staring everyone in the face is that someone wasted over 100m of EM’s money this summer.
People moaned that Dyche never brings on subs to change a game- well, for those who couldn’t see the reason why not before last night, at least it’s there for you in plain view now.

Add to that we lost the best right wing pairing in the league (elanga and Aina) and a top striker, clearly there’s going to be a drop off in quality. Watching the players hug Nuno after wham Dyche clearly has an uphill struggle to unite the remainder, too.

Oh how people turned their noses up at links to McNeill because we already had several ‘glamorous’ wingers already. Well, wake up; they aren’t good enough right here, right now.

EVERYONE knew the big task in the summer was to bolster the squad to maintain the top 8 push and do well in Europe. It’s now been long enough to be able to ask the question- who is responsible? Because it damned well hasn’t worked.

I’m loathe to blame Edu without evidence but as the major change behind the scenes, it’s not unreasonable to think it’s on him at least in part; be that the recruitment overall or the start of the boat rocking when Nuno jumped ship.

So Who was it?

Want to add some info now, Sniff?

[Paplane]

Oh FFS

Same old same old

The Dyche haters are out.

I am NOT defending Dyche - but it’s not his squad and the fact staring everyone in the face is that someone wasted over 100m of EM’s money this summer.
People moaned that Dyche never brings on subs to change a game- well, for those who couldn’t see the reason why not before last night, at least it’s there for you in plain view now.

Add to that we lost the best right wing pairing in the league (elanga and Aina) and a top striker, clearly there’s going to be a drop off in quality. Watching the players hug Nuno after wham Dyche clearly has an uphill struggle to unite the remainder, too.

Oh how people turned their noses up at links to McNeill because we already had several ‘glamorous’ wingers already. Well, wake up; they aren’t good enough right here, right now.

EVERYONE knew the big task in the summer was to bolster the squad to maintain the top 8 push and do well in Europe. It’s now been long enough to be able to ask the question- who is responsible? Because it damned well hasn’t worked.

I’m loathe to blame Edu without evidence but as the major change behind the scenes, it’s not unreasonable to think it’s on him at least in part; be that the recruitment overall or the start of the boat rocking when Nuno jumped ship.

So Who was it?

Want to add some info now, Sniff?

I agree. The loss to us of Elanga, Wood and Aina has hit us hard and is, relatively speaking, equivalent to Liverpool losing 3 key players, say, Alexander-Arnold, Salah and Van Dijk. Or Man City losing Rodrhi, Haaland and Foden. All sides will suffer if 3 major players are lost for an extended period. The trouble for us though is that we've also had the shambles of the managerial situation to contend with, as well as injuries elswhere and the introduction of european football to a squad and club with very little experience of it. 

What a S**t show.

[Paplane]

I think last nights performance level is one that will change the club's immediate transfer activity. Similarly to that Preston game five or six years ago.

McAtee is finished with us now IMO. Since he came he's shown absolutely nothing on the pitch to suggest he's anything like up to the required standard. And Zinchenko will probably never play again. He seems to be responsible for a goal against every game he plays. I can't see Bakwa getting picked ahead of a really poor Ndoy so it wouldn't supirse me if we get another winger in too. One that can stick a cross in, cover his full back and not make crucial disaster passes.

[JollyLollyAussie]

DR have a rethink, I dont beleive the majority who post on here HATE Dyche but more his football/tactics/inabillity to make obvious changes. He is a good fit in the championship or lower but never in a million miles PL quality. The question should be asked why we always seem to pick a manager/coach who is out of work instead of paying compo for a long term project coach along with adding players that suit a style and ethos?

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Hate Dyche?

Come on this is getting silly now.

We comment what we see on the pitch and what we are seeing on the pitch is absolute dross.

That's it, nothing more to it than that.

Hatred my arse.

[wassy04]

Oh FFS

Same old same old

The Dyche haters are out.

I am NOT defending Dyche - but it’s not his squad and the fact staring everyone in the face is that someone wasted over 100m of EM’s money this summer.
People moaned that Dyche never brings on subs to change a game- well, for those who couldn’t see the reason why not before last night, at least it’s there for you in plain view now.

Add to that we lost the best right wing pairing in the league (elanga and Aina) and a top striker, clearly there’s going to be a drop off in quality. Watching the players hug Nuno after wham Dyche clearly has an uphill struggle to unite the remainder, too.

Oh how people turned their noses up at links to McNeill because we already had several ‘glamorous’ wingers already. Well, wake up; they aren’t good enough right here, right now.

EVERYONE knew the big task in the summer was to bolster the squad to maintain the top 8 push and do well in Europe. It’s now been long enough to be able to ask the question- who is responsible? Because it damned well hasn’t worked.

I’m loathe to blame Edu without evidence but as the major change behind the scenes, it’s not unreasonable to think it’s on him at least in part; be that the recruitment overall or the start of the boat rocking when Nuno jumped ship.

So Who was it?

Want to add some info now, Sniff?

I agree. The loss to us of Elanga, Wood and Aina has hit us hard and is, relatively speaking, equivalent to Liverpool losing 3 key players, say, Alexander-Arnold, Salah and Van Dijk. Or Man City losing Rodrhi, Haaland and Foden. All sides will suffer if 3 major players are lost for an extended period. The trouble for us though is that we've also had the shambles of the managerial situation to contend with, as well as injuries elswhere and the introduction of european football to a squad and club with very little experience of it. 

What a S**t show.

Liverpool have sort of lost those guys and they have dropped for runaway league leaders to midtable so definitely proves the point. If we can nail the striker signing maybe the season is still salvageable. Aina and Sangare come back in too.

[The reds]

I can’t fault most of the players in the 2nd half. Scoring 3 goals in one half away anywhere is a tough ask. We did that and should’ve won in Extra Time. Penalties anything can happen.
31 shots last night, very much like the Exeter game last season.

[Username]

Dyche should also be sacked. If they were not putting it in on the training ground, why did you pick them? He knows he is under pressure. Will only mount after this. Bloke takes no accountability at all. The atmosphere in the players dressing room has just been destroyed.

Destroyed from the highs under Ange, or the highs from under this season’s Nuno?

[DeesideRed]

Oh FFS

Same old same old

The Dyche haters are out.

I am NOT defending Dyche - but it’s not his squad and the fact staring everyone in the face is that someone wasted over 100m of EM’s money this summer.
People moaned that Dyche never brings on subs to change a game- well, for those who couldn’t see the reason why not before last night, at least it’s there for you in plain view now.

Add to that we lost the best right wing pairing in the league (elanga and Aina) and a top striker, clearly there’s going to be a drop off in quality. Watching the players hug Nuno after wham Dyche clearly has an uphill struggle to unite the remainder, too.

Oh how people turned their noses up at links to McNeill because we already had several ‘glamorous’ wingers already. Well, wake up; they aren’t good enough right here, right now.

EVERYONE knew the big task in the summer was to bolster the squad to maintain the top 8 push and do well in Europe. It’s now been long enough to be able to ask the question- who is responsible? Because it damned well hasn’t worked.

I’m loathe to blame Edu without evidence but as the major change behind the scenes, it’s not unreasonable to think it’s on him at least in part; be that the recruitment overall or the start of the boat rocking when Nuno jumped ship.

So Who was it?

Want to add some info now, Sniff?

Very much with DR on this, i'm finding the noise around Dyche a bit much to be honest. 

I'm not saying its not been a tough watch but anyone would think we'd lost every game and were in the relegation zone. It's also quite frankly bizaare how things have turned this toxic when post Spurs it was very much positive. 

A review should be held at the end of the season, changing manager now would be ridiculous. If Dyche keeps us up but its dross then all parties can walk away heads held high. I do think the club should give him a couple of signings in order to properly assess him. As DR says, none of these are his players, he likes characters and strong mentality which every summer signing bar Omari who got his head down seem to have. 

I know i back the manager alot, as i did Nuno but these guys are the ones at the coalface and in a world where they get given shite players and are told essentially if you are a good coach you'll make them less shite, even if they dont fit your style, they have my sympathy.

[BomberBowyer]

DR have a rethink, I dont beleive the majority who post on here HATE Dyche but more his football/tactics/inabillity to make obvious changes. He is a good fit in the championship or lower but never in a million miles PL quality. The question should be asked why we always seem to pick a manager/coach who is out of work instead of paying compo for a long term project coach along with adding players that suit a style and ethos?

Playing devil’s advocate. Were people happy with Dyche’s tactics/style etc against Porto, Liverpool, Leeds, Spurs etc?? Yes I know there have been some shocking performances (Everton x2, Bournemouth) but those for me is partly Dyche and partly the inconsistency of our players. I feel these latest performances however stem from a) badly missing Sangare (and to some extent Yates) and b) players like Anderson, Williams needing a rest but not having reliable players to step in.

So yes, disappointing performances lately but I say lets judge once Sangare is back at 6, a rested Anderson is back at 8 driving us forward with MGW at 10 not having to try to link midfield and attack all by himself. Dare I say a ala the Spurs game? Also now we have last seasons back 4 all available hopefully our wingers can be more attack minded and free to take their defenders on.

[DeesideRed]

DR have a rethink, I dont beleive the majority who post on here HATE Dyche but more his football/tactics/inabillity to make obvious changes. He is a good fit in the championship or lower but never in a million miles PL quality. The question should be asked why we always seem to pick a manager/coach who is out of work instead of paying compo for a long term project coach along with adding players that suit a style and ethos?

Playing devil’s advocate. Were people happy with Dyche’s tactics/style etc against Porto, Liverpool, Leeds, Spurs etc?? Yes I know there have been some shocking performances (Everton x2, Bournemouth) but those for me is partly Dyche and partly the inconsistency of our players. I feel these latest performances however stem from a) badly missing Sangare (and to some extent Yates) and b) players like Anderson, Williams needing a rest but not having reliable players to step in.

So yes, disappointing performances lately but I say lets judge once Sangare is back at 6, a rested Anderson is back at 8 driving us forward with MGW at 10 not having to try to link midfield and attack all by himself. Dare I say a ala the Spurs game? Also now we have last seasons back 4 all available hopefully our wingers can be more attack minded and free to take their defenders on.

Starting to wonder whether we should dig up the match threads from those games to show what people were saying at the time. Its been good, its been very bad - but lets assess at the season end and not have a meltdown at being 7 points clear of relagation because its not pretty.

[BomberBowyer]

DR have a rethink, I dont beleive the majority who post on here HATE Dyche but more his football/tactics/inabillity to make obvious changes. He is a good fit in the championship or lower but never in a million miles PL quality. The question should be asked why we always seem to pick a manager/coach who is out of work instead of paying compo for a long term project coach along with adding players that suit a style and ethos?

Playing devil’s advocate. Were people happy with Dyche’s tactics/style etc against Porto, Liverpool, Leeds, Spurs etc?? Yes I know there have been some shocking performances (Everton x2, Bournemouth) but those for me is partly Dyche and partly the inconsistency of our players. I feel these latest performances however stem from a) badly missing Sangare (and to some extent Yates) and b) players like Anderson, Williams needing a rest but not having reliable players to step in.

So yes, disappointing performances lately but I say lets judge once Sangare is back at 6, a rested Anderson is back at 8 driving us forward with MGW at 10 not having to try to link midfield and attack all by himself. Dare I say a ala the Spurs game? Also now we have last seasons back 4 all available hopefully our wingers can be more attack minded and free to take their defenders on.

Starting to wonder whether we should dig up the match threads from those games to show what people were saying at the time. Its been good, its been very bad - but lets assess at the season end and not have a meltdown at being 7 points clear of relagation because its not pretty.

I can completely understand the unhappiness of some but yes we need to look at the full picture. The opening game of the season showed what these players can do as have the wins against Liverpool etc and performance against City. Likewise the loss v West Ham, Bournemouth and poor performances lately have shown our frailties. We capitulated and conceded sloppy goals under Nuno at times last season, againstart of this season and under Ange and Dyche. Surely that should tell us something and that this isn’t all on the manager. Btw I’ve seen some fans have digs at Dyche saying he never takes the blame. To be fair I am yet to see him take the credit either. When we win he puts it on the players, likewise when we lose.