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[Trailer Park Tom]

Other than yesterday when absolutely everyone was poor, when has MGW performed badly enough to justify playing McAtee instead?

I'd say about 75% of the season.

Not sure what others think?

He scored 4 in 4 or something similar. He probably hasn't been at his best while getting these goal involvements but we are nearly half way through the season and Igor Jesus has 1 league goal.

For me MGW is a league starter.

Abbott or Cun for Moratto 100%

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Igor Jesus is our top scorer in all competitioms and has also been unlucky with goals he has had ruled out.

You keep criticising him but I dread to think where we would be without him.

Look at the bigger picture because his all round game is excellent.

Time CHO, Anderson, Sangare, Ndoye etc starting chipping in with a few goals.

[wassy04]

Igor Jesus is our top scorer in all competitioms and has also been unlucky with goals he has had ruled out.

You keep criticising him but I dread to think where we would be without him.

Look at the bigger picture because his all round game is excellent.

Time CHO, Anderson, Sangare, Ndoye etc starting chipping in with a few goals.

Think he was more defending MGW tbf. I agree, the other attackers need to start actually taking chances (or creating them in the case of Saturday!).

[Woan]

Igor Jesus is our top scorer in all competitioms and has also been unlucky with goals he has had ruled out.

You keep criticising him but I dread to think where we would be without him.

Look at the bigger picture because his all round game is excellent.

Time CHO, Anderson, Sangare, Ndoye etc starting chipping in with a few goals.

Yeah, agreed. Igor is the best hold-up player we have. He's very active in the box as well. The problem in many games, just like the Everton game, was he was starved of service. I don't know what kind of plan we had but we didn't create a chance until 47'. It was dire. Agree completely that others need to start contributing.

[Trailer Park Tom]

I actually think he is alright. It's just 1 goal in 14 league games and you are saying we need to hook MGW who just scored 4 in 4.

Would you be happy if he gets 2 in 28 if he keeps holding up the ball?

We have a 20 goal last season striker on the bench who hasn't started in the league yet

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Wood is never going to have another season like last season lets be honest about that.

It is not as if Jesus is missing sitters left right and centre.

The service into him is dire most of the time. He hasn't had the luxury of a red hot Elanga, CHO and MGW putting chances on a plate for him like Wood had last seson.

[Reds73]

Other than yesterday when absolutely everyone was poor, when has MGW performed badly enough to justify playing McAtee instead?

I'd say about 75% of the season.

Not sure what others think?

Exactly this, when its going well he plays well, when there's a bit of a struggle where you need him to drive it, he goes a bit missing or over complicates it.

Dyche likes a consistent 11 and that is fair enough if that first 11 are performing. The warning signs were there to be seen on Wednesday, for example Omari looked gassed around the 75th minute and wasn't tracking back as much, not his fault btw as his fitness levels probably aren't quite there. Ultimately there are other players on the bench who have been signed to cover for when players don't perform consistently, have knocks, are flagging etc. If they aren't match fit enough then they have to be given some time to play their way into fitness. 

Radio Nottingham kept going on about not having squad options but that's just not true, there were three players on the bench yesterday that could have started the match and freshened it up (those subs at half time could've started), plus another two options who aren't being picked other than in Europe or in the case of Cunha, given any minutes.

Now if I know we don't see what happens in training, but there is nothing you can say that will convince me that Ndoye being so badly out of form doesn't mean he needs some time on the bench, if Morgan has a back injury that needs managing, then at 2-0 down in the 60th you could sub in McAtee for minutes. If hitting long balls up to Igor isn't working bring Kali on for a change in style..

I just didn't get yesterday at all, what was the plan? Knocking long balls up to 1 striker up against two centre backs who love that sort of game? And why when it was obviously not working didn't the plan get a change? Around the 75th minute it was as if they just wanted to get off the pitch and go home.

That’s what Dyche does.
Just about keeps you up, but nothing more.
Look how Everton improved last season when Moyes went in after Dyche with the same team.

Ask any Everton fan how dire they were

[DeesideRed]

Other than yesterday when absolutely everyone was poor, when has MGW performed badly enough to justify playing McAtee instead?

I'd say about 75% of the season.

Not sure what others think?

Exactly this, when its going well he plays well, when there's a bit of a struggle where you need him to drive it, he goes a bit missing or over complicates it.

Dyche likes a consistent 11 and that is fair enough if that first 11 are performing. The warning signs were there to be seen on Wednesday, for example Omari looked gassed around the 75th minute and wasn't tracking back as much, not his fault btw as his fitness levels probably aren't quite there. Ultimately there are other players on the bench who have been signed to cover for when players don't perform consistently, have knocks, are flagging etc. If they aren't match fit enough then they have to be given some time to play their way into fitness. 

Radio Nottingham kept going on about not having squad options but that's just not true, there were three players on the bench yesterday that could have started the match and freshened it up (those subs at half time could've started), plus another two options who aren't being picked other than in Europe or in the case of Cunha, given any minutes.

Now if I know we don't see what happens in training, but there is nothing you can say that will convince me that Ndoye being so badly out of form doesn't mean he needs some time on the bench, if Morgan has a back injury that needs managing, then at 2-0 down in the 60th you could sub in McAtee for minutes. If hitting long balls up to Igor isn't working bring Kali on for a change in style..

I just didn't get yesterday at all, what was the plan? Knocking long balls up to 1 striker up against two centre backs who love that sort of game? And why when it was obviously not working didn't the plan get a change? Around the 75th minute it was as if they just wanted to get off the pitch and go home.

That’s what Dyche does.
Just about keeps you up, but nothing more.
Look how Everton improved last season when Moyes went in after Dyche with the same team.

Ask any Everton fan how dire they were

That's absolutely unfair, he kept them up with Moshiri and deductions. 

Even Moyes recognised it. Needed a change after that, fine. 

Took little Burnley to Europe and they are now a yo-yo club.

[Trailer Park Tom]

Wood is never going to have another season like last season lets be honest about that.

It is not as if Jesus is missing sitters left right and centre.

The service into him is dire most of the time. He hasn't had the luxury of a red hot Elanga, CHO and MGW putting chances on a plate for him like Wood had last seson.

Completely agree! I was referring to Kal on the bench. He can create something out of nothing and scored a lot of goals last season.

There's no reason Jesus can't have a Taiwo run second half of the season but there are a lot of players in line to be hooked before MGW.

[ac_vodka]

Seem to remember lots of dire games under Nuno before it got peachy. Dyche has come along after 2 hand grenades thrown into that dressing room + ton of injuries + higher expectation. Jesus is carrying the frontline due to injuries and I think doing a decent job.

[wassy04]

Other than yesterday when absolutely everyone was poor, when has MGW performed badly enough to justify playing McAtee instead?

I'd say about 75% of the season.

Not sure what others think?

Exactly this, when its going well he plays well, when there's a bit of a struggle where you need him to drive it, he goes a bit missing or over complicates it.

Dyche likes a consistent 11 and that is fair enough if that first 11 are performing. The warning signs were there to be seen on Wednesday, for example Omari looked gassed around the 75th minute and wasn't tracking back as much, not his fault btw as his fitness levels probably aren't quite there. Ultimately there are other players on the bench who have been signed to cover for when players don't perform consistently, have knocks, are flagging etc. If they aren't match fit enough then they have to be given some time to play their way into fitness. 

Radio Nottingham kept going on about not having squad options but that's just not true, there were three players on the bench yesterday that could have started the match and freshened it up (those subs at half time could've started), plus another two options who aren't being picked other than in Europe or in the case of Cunha, given any minutes.

Now if I know we don't see what happens in training, but there is nothing you can say that will convince me that Ndoye being so badly out of form doesn't mean he needs some time on the bench, if Morgan has a back injury that needs managing, then at 2-0 down in the 60th you could sub in McAtee for minutes. If hitting long balls up to Igor isn't working bring Kali on for a change in style..

I just didn't get yesterday at all, what was the plan? Knocking long balls up to 1 striker up against two centre backs who love that sort of game? And why when it was obviously not working didn't the plan get a change? Around the 75th minute it was as if they just wanted to get off the pitch and go home.

That’s what Dyche does.
Just about keeps you up, but nothing more.
Look how Everton improved last season when Moyes went in after Dyche with the same team.

Ask any Everton fan how dire they were

That's absolutely unfair, he kept them up with Moshiri and deductions. 

Even Moyes recognised it. Needed a change after that, fine. 

Took little Burnley to Europe and they are now a yo-yo club.

Yeah 100% agree, basing Dyche entire reign at Everton on that final season is pretty unfair. For years Dyche kept them afloat with no transfers and a pretty average squad and he way overachieved at Burnley for years too.

This is a different task with a bigger budget and better squad so a different challenge but that doesn't mean he can't still be successful. Lets not pretend we were playing liquid football last year under Nuno either, we were just winning so it was great. Hopefully Dyche can put together a run of wins.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

McAtee. Discuss.

Thought he did well initially last night but seemed to fade through the first half. Got involved and tried to set things up but also lost possession far too easily on occasion, a couple of times doing so led to a very dangerous break away for them. Then as we lost control a bit seemed to go missing which is probably why he was hooked. Clearly has some skill but also seems very lightweight. Thought his set piece delivery would be good but hasn’t remotely shown that either.

Does he need a run of games? Can we afford to give him that time? Zero evidence he justifies displacing MGW from the team. Loan in January?