Nottingham Forest - West Ham

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

It's interesting how we fans see things.

I personally thought that West Ham were terrible for 80 minutes.

We were far too slow and pedestrian and our substituions were very poor.

I am not sure how we can give West Ham credit for that.

That is on us.

[Paplane]

It's interesting how we fans see things.

I personally thought that West Ham were terrible for 80 minutes.

We were far too slow and pedestrian and our substituions were very poor.

I am not sure how we can give West Ham credit for that.

That is on us.

They do deserve some credit for a classic backs to the wall away win. As the game wore on, the more their confidence grew. The frustration for us is that we should've had enough about us to blow them away so this didnt happen and we couldn't. It was clear at HT it wasnt working. Ok, give the lads 10 minutes of the 2nd half to implement whats been discussed at the break but there was nothing out there and nothing changed. It was the most predictable thing when they scored. You could see it coming a mile off. And the capitulation after the Bowen goal was embarrassing.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

If it was me in charge I know what I would have done.

A quadruple substitution after 60 minutes. MGW off, Sangare off, Wood off, CHO off.

In my opinion we then go on and win the game.

[Sausage Roll]

I'd have hooked MGW and Sangare at half time - they were both appalling in the first half.

[stefanduma]

I'd have hooked MGW and Sangare at half time - they were both appalling in the first half.

I'd have had them off after 15 mins.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Just read that Brighton made a quadruple substituion yesterday after being 0-1 down and turned the game around and won 2-1.

[Paplane]

If it was me in charge I know what I would have done.

A quadruple substitution after 60 minutes. MGW off, Sangare off, Wood off, CHO off.

In my opinion we then go on and win the game.

Agree. It also sends a message out that we have a squad now and if you're not at it,  then someone else will be.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Presumably in that case we would be bringing on 4 players who are new to the club at once. It sounds good in theory, in practice it doesn’t often work as the team loses cohesion.
Thats not defending those that were on the pitch who were poor but it was 0-0 at the time, maybe we still lose and then who gets the blame?. Remember the meltdown on here when we made the triple sub vs Luton?
Liked the look of McAtee though. Need to integrate the new lads.

[Trailer Park Tom]

I don't think possession based football is for us and Potter let forest control the game.

Not going to let this make my head fall off but there are players who can be replaced now so the levels need to improve.

Why does everyone seem to think when we buy some players we should change the style of play.

Because the way we played last season isnt sustainable over the long term.

Honestly last season we were all going on about pundits hating the fact that teams like us were controlling games with less possession and they were obsessed with Pep ball.

We were saying, it's a mid block not a low block like Cooper and we were controlling the game out of possession. 

Also saying we were no longer scrapping all our games 1 nill and scoring multiple goals in a lot of our wins.

And now the same people are saying that we are so amazing now we have more possession. Even though it's more boring to watch, we don't defend as well and create no chances.

It's exactly the same as when we signed Sangare after beating Chelsea away and everyone expected us to dominate a different style against Burnley, Luton and Brentford at home and we nearly got relegated because of it.

Yes we need alternative ways of breaking a team down or coming from behind, but what you saw yesterday was an attempted change of style with all but 1 of the same starting lineup from last season. 

It was just the same as the Burnley at home. They had lost all their games and if we sat back and countered we would have battered them.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Agree to a point with that but we were a bit of a one trick pony last season. it was a decent and effective method but it had been sussed out. Thought Everton were the first to do it well to us, completely blocked our quick transitions then hit us on the counter. Other teams did the same and West Ham was pretty identical the way it panned out all be it with a bigger scoreline.

I think most of us really enjoyed watching our rapid counter attack system last year but we need another way too.

[DeesideRed]

Agree to a point with that but we were a bit of a one trick pony last season. it was a decent and effective method but it had been sussed out. Thought Everton were the first to do it well to us, completely blocked our quick transitions then hit us on the counter. Other teams did the same and West Ham was pretty identical the way it panned out all be it with a bigger scoreline.

I think most of us really enjoyed watching our rapid counter attack system last year but we need another way too.

Indeed, the direct comparison was the Wolves squad that evolved through Moutinho and Neves in midfield offering that craft whilst still having speed merchants in Traore and Neto either side of a big number 9. 

Traore's assists were pretty much all the same to Jiminez, often on the counter running in behind and throwing it in. 

Forest need to find the guile to break down the likes of Everton etc who worked us out. There was no prospect of sitting in and waiting to counter at home to a fragile West Ham side, the crowd would have gone mad, least Sunday they just yawned alot  :Up Yours:

I'm not sure NDoye is the Elanga replacement i thought he was, doesnt seem as explosive.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Yep, Ndoye has been OK but doesn't look a £40m player to me yet, although is that the fee for bang average in the PL these days?