14-08-2025, 11:13 PM
(14-08-2025, 10:27 PM)Close Season Sid Wrote:(14-08-2025, 04:02 PM)wassy04 Wrote:Why do you think Parish was blaming Forest? I haven’t ignored it because he hasn’t. Not yet! The club requested the disclosure of the correspondence between UEFA and Forest but it wasn’t produced. It would be in Court proceedings. Why, if there is nothing to hide, wasn’t it produced? If entirely innocent it would end speculation and remove suspicion, whether it needed to or not. It could be done tomorrow but I bet it won’t. My guess is that Palace have either got a copy or know what it contains. Lawyers don’t request things they don’t already have.(14-08-2025, 03:39 PM)Close Season Sid Wrote:(14-08-2025, 12:38 PM)Paplane Wrote:(14-08-2025, 12:21 PM)Tricky Wrote: The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.
Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.
Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?
I look forward to a reasonable response
Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:
"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"
So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?
I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community.
Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy.
Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court.
So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside.
Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen.
I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.
So why was Parish blaming Forest? Or are you just going to ignore that bit again? Do you believe that is acceptable for him to blame Marinakis?
Marinakis has previous. It’s natural to be distrustful of those with such a reputation.
Firstly, you are wrong in your comment that Parish hasnt blamed Forest for the situation you have found yourselves in. Parish, on Gary Linekers podcast when asked said “Yes. We were told that and I think it’s been made public. These things seem to be played out in public. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of confidentiality that comes out of certain organisations. But we’re led to believe that that’s the issue – if there wasn’t somebody that wanted to get in as a consequence, then there wouldn’t be a problem".
He was told what exactly and by whom? Some journalist heard Forest had asked UEFA where they stood in relation to the uncertainty surrounding the Palace case and decided to twist it to make out Forest had somehow forced UEFA into making a decision that would only benefit Forest? For Christs sake, if you believe that, then sadly my friend, you are as delusional as Parish is himself! The fact is, Palace were already facing the ban from the EL before Forest sent their letter in, so the notion that somebody wanting to get in as caused the problem is quite frankly absurd.
If Palace have a copy of this alleged correspondence, why didnt Palace lawyers produce it at the initial UEFA hearing, or subsequently at the Court of Arbitration for Sport, who were there to rule whether UEFA had followed the rules correctly? Quite simply because there is no correspondence that in any way, shape or form drags Forest or Marinakis into the matter. Quite frankly, I dont know what went on at either the UEFA hearing or the CAS tribunal anymore than you do.
Finally, you say Marinakis has previous. Previous what exactly? Yes he has been mentioned in a number of legal cases in his native Greece, including match fixing, bombing a referees bakery and so on, but guess what? He has been cleared of all of the afore mentioned activities. These charges were brought against him by owners of other clubs in Greece, where there is a far more dangerous under current to anything we see in this country. A lot of what goes on in Greece actually is more political than it is about football. But dont let the truth get in the way of idle, wild and totally inaccurate accusations that you feel compelled to level at us on a Forest forum.
I dont understand why Parish isnt directing his anger at Textor and not at Marinakis. Textor is the one that shafted your club in the first place, so it makes perfect sense to me that he should be the one in Parish's sights. Or maybe Textor holds the truth about the MCO Palace claim they are not or were not a part of. Time will tell.
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