Crap Referees

[JollyLolly]

Are any on here aware that Stuart Atwell was the VAR when we played Liverpool at home earlier, don't need to remind you of what occurred. However a clear and obvious error was made with the restart when Liverpool went on to score but NOT flagged up at that time, why?

[BadDog]

Are any on here aware that Stuart Atwell was the VAR when we played Liverpool at home earlier, don't need to remind you of what occurred. However a clear and obvious error was made with the restart when Liverpool went on to score but NOT flagged up at that time, why?

He was also the ref when we got the apology away at Bournemouth which cost us promotion.

[JollyLolly]

It stinks BadDog

[BomberBowyer]

Are any on here aware that Stuart Atwell was the VAR when we played Liverpool at home earlier, don't need to remind you of what occurred. However a clear and obvious error was made with the restart when Liverpool went on to score but NOT flagged up at that time, why?

He was also the ref when we got the apology away at Bournemouth which cost us promotion.

Tbf wasn’t he on VAR when Burnley had a goal disallowed against us for handball meaning we got the draw at home earlier this season? Think that is the last and only decision that has gone our way this season mind

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Nope he didn’t. Don’t get me wrong I think the whole system regarding that stinks and is loaded to protect the big boys.

It has been that way a long time. Managers like Warnock complained about premier league and refereeing bias for the big clubs, a long time ago. Remember Tevez and Mascherano playing for Wham and them not being signed correctly under the rules and the premier league fined them rather than took points off them. sheffield united went down because of that. That wasn’t fair then. It’s not new but i think VAR is doing the opposite of what it is supposed too. Refs don’t make decision against the big clubs knowing that VAR will have to take a look and share the responsibility but VAR are absolving responsibility by only alerting the ref if it is a clanger of the most extreme proportions, subverting the whole purpose of it which is to make the largest number of correct key decisions as possible. VAR is reinforcing the advantage the big sides already had. There is a lot wrong with the premier league and pgmol but it is not a case of the latter conspiring to get certain teams relegated.

Yes spot on.

[Paplane]

Are any on here aware that Stuart Atwell was the VAR when we played Liverpool at home earlier, don't need to remind you of what occurred. However a clear and obvious error was made with the restart when Liverpool went on to score but NOT flagged up at that time, why?

He was also the ref when we got the apology away at Bournemouth which cost us promotion.

I reckon his performance in that game, such a massive game, is the origin of EM's frustration.

Surridge was fouled by the Bournemouth keeper but Attwell gave offside instead, which he wasn't. He later apologised to Cooper for the incorrect decision.

[wassy04]

Are any on here aware that Stuart Atwell was the VAR when we played Liverpool at home earlier, don't need to remind you of what occurred. However a clear and obvious error was made with the restart when Liverpool went on to score but NOT flagged up at that time, why?

He was also the ref when we got the apology away at Bournemouth which cost us promotion.

Tbf wasn’t he on VAR when Burnley had a goal disallowed against us for handball meaning we got the draw at home earlier this season? Think that is the last and only decision that has gone our way this season mind

We'd be behind Burnley right now probably if he'd not given that...

[Paplane]

Are any on here aware that Stuart Atwell was the VAR when we played Liverpool at home earlier, don't need to remind you of what occurred. However a clear and obvious error was made with the restart when Liverpool went on to score but NOT flagged up at that time, why?

He was also the ref when we got the apology away at Bournemouth which cost us promotion.

Tbf wasn’t he on VAR when Burnley had a goal disallowed against us for handball meaning we got the draw at home earlier this season? Think that is the last and only decision that has gone our way this season mind

We'd be behind Burnley right now probably if he'd not given that...

He got the decision right. It was handball, or rather, it touched his arm.

[stirred]

Are some people seriously suggesting we haven't been, on net, cost points by VAR this season?! And therefore that it hasn't affected our league position?

[Simon]

Are some people seriously suggesting we haven't been, on net, cost points by VAR this season?! And therefore that it hasn't affected our league position?

i actually followed that link you knob lol.

[The reds]

Got to say these last few days, have been an eye opener, This isn’t Football anymore. Coventry Offside, Our Pens, Wolves disallowed goal tonight. 
I’m really 50/50 on whether I want to keep going to watch us get done over by awful decisions week in week out .
This has been a season to forget on all aspects.

[Plymouth red]

Culture may be rotten. Decisions may have gone against us. But fear this has all become a big distraction to our poor performances on the pitch.

And that is what is really frustrating me. How has the sense of injustice not motivated this group to play with real fire in their bellies?

All the other sides - palace, Brentford, Everton - who were down with us scrapping just a couple weeks away have pulled away. That second half against Everton we barely created anything; against an out of form spurs side, we created very little second half. After Wolves equalised, very little, crystal Palace the same.

This inability to create is not var. This dropping of heads is not a ref thing. We lack leadership on the pitch or desire.

Ultimately we have three winnable games to finish this season but if the players are going to feel sorry for themselves after this last week then we've no hope. Before that we've man city. If they cannot put in a blood, sweat and tears performance against city then we've no hope.

Control what you can control - var and refs are not one and ultimately I fear it is now just an excuse for abject performances