Crap Referees

[ozzyten10]

I can see them wanting a points deduction for bringing the game into disrepute.

[Shawoddyred]

You keep saying it's not corrupt when you don't know. None of us do. To just brush it off and say it's not possible is naive in the extreme. Corruption exists in every walk of life and in a business awash with as much money as football is it's quite frankly ludicrous to just brush off the possibility that corruption could exist.

As somebody said earlier, if you are accusing somebody of corruption you need to have evidence that is deliberate and not just being rubbish at your job. show me the evidence which proves Atwell, Howard Webb, conspired to not give us three penalties in a game, and i might believe you

Who the f**k cares if you believe him or not. This isn't a court of law, it's a forum where loads people rant about football. You stick Tory in your name and think it's a select committee.

I suspect the premier league and pgmol will care and it will have negative consequences for our football club and probably us as well. You don’t go around making unproven allegations without their being some comeback

You are not the prem or the pgmol thought and Im guessing a geezer called sausage roll wont be presenting to them.

Also, just to correct our tory friend....we haven't accused anyone of corruption. We said we warned pgmol about him being a Luton fan, which we apparently did. We subsequently followed up to say that no ref with any link to a game result should be var or ref, for their own good, in case of c**k ups. 

There was a talk sport interview with a previous head of refs who had said that he put in place guidelines (that are now clearly not followed) that would have meant atwell would never have been involved in our game against Everton....as a duty of care towards the ref.

[ToryTom]

As somebody said earlier, if you are accusing somebody of corruption you need to have evidence that is deliberate and not just being rubbish at your job. show me the evidence which proves Atwell, Howard Webb, conspired to not give us three penalties in a game, and i might believe you

Who the f**k cares if you believe him or not. This isn't a court of law, it's a forum where loads people rant about football. You stick Tory in your name and think it's a select committee.

I suspect the premier league and pgmol will care and it will have negative consequences for our football club and probably us as well. You don’t go around making unproven allegations without their being some comeback

You are not the prem or the pgmol thought and Im guessing a geezer called sausage roll wont be presenting to them.

Also, just to correct our tory friend....we haven't accused anyone of corruption. We said we warned pgmol about him being a Luton fan, which we apparently did. We subsequently followed up to say that no ref with any link to a game result should be var or ref, for their own good, in case of c**k ups. 

There was a talk sport interview with a previous head of refs who had said that he put in place guidelines (that are now clearly not followed) that would have meant atwell would never have been involved in our game against Everton....as a duty of care towards the ref.

why would would we be complaining about him being a Luton fan if we didn’t think he would be biased against us. why did being a luton fan even matter if wasn’t because we are in a relegation scrap with them and feared we would lose it. By saying we warned them about this and they refused to listen we are at least implying there was some kind of conspiracy against us and the pgmol
want us relegated. we could of just said why did you appoint an official who is rubbish and not up to the job. There was no need to bring luton into it if we weren’t questioning the motives of the pgmol

[Shawoddyred]

Who the f**k cares if you believe him or not. This isn't a court of law, it's a forum where loads people rant about football. You stick Tory in your name and think it's a select committee.

I suspect the premier league and pgmol will care and it will have negative consequences for our football club and probably us as well. You don’t go around making unproven allegations without their being some comeback

You are not the prem or the pgmol thought and Im guessing a geezer called sausage roll wont be presenting to them.

Also, just to correct our tory friend....we haven't accused anyone of corruption. We said we warned pgmol about him being a Luton fan, which we apparently did. We subsequently followed up to say that no ref with any link to a game result should be var or ref, for their own good, in case of c**k ups. 

There was a talk sport interview with a previous head of refs who had said that he put in place guidelines (that are now clearly not followed) that would have meant atwell would never have been involved in our game against Everton....as a duty of care towards the ref.

why would would we be complaining about him being a Luton fan if we didn’t think he would be biased against us. why did being a luton fan even matter if wasn’t because we are in a relegation scrap with them and feared we would lose it. By saying we warned them about this and they refused to listen we are at least implying there was some kind of conspiracy against us and the pgmol
want us relegated. we could of just said why did you appoint an official who is rubbish and not up to the job. There was no need to bring luton into it if we weren’t questioning the motives of the pgmol

Mostly what you're saying there is correct, ish. But, I'm just pointing out, contrary to what you've been going on about, we have not accused anyone of corruption.

[BomberBowyer]

I can see them wanting a points deduction for bringing the game into disrepute.

I can see that too but that will just make the matter worse imo as difficult enough as it is to see EM now backing down, they deduct pts from us for this it’ll go nuclear! Both sides are not coming out of this well but some media tunes are starting to change along with growing support from other clubs fans. I think the FA, PGMOL and PL will just want this to all now go away. They were rubbing their hands with glee at one of the closest title run ins in years but all the talk is about us and dodgy VAR. It may sound daft and I know the IC hearing is completely different but I can see us getting some if not all of the deducted pts back now.

[Trailer Park Tom]

Who the f**k cares if you believe him or not. This isn't a court of law, it's a forum where loads people rant about football. You stick Tory in your name and think it's a select committee.

I suspect the premier league and pgmol will care and it will have negative consequences for our football club and probably us as well. You don’t go around making unproven allegations without their being some comeback

You are not the prem or the pgmol thought and Im guessing a geezer called sausage roll wont be presenting to them.

Also, just to correct our tory friend....we haven't accused anyone of corruption. We said we warned pgmol about him being a Luton fan, which we apparently did. We subsequently followed up to say that no ref with any link to a game result should be var or ref, for their own good, in case of c**k ups. 

There was a talk sport interview with a previous head of refs who had said that he put in place guidelines (that are now clearly not followed) that would have meant atwell would never have been involved in our game against Everton....as a duty of care towards the ref.

why would would we be complaining about him being a Luton fan if we didn’t think he would be biased against us. why did being a luton fan even matter if wasn’t because we are in a relegation scrap with them and feared we would lose it. By saying we warned them about this and they refused to listen we are at least implying there was some kind of conspiracy against us and the pgmol
want us relegated. we could of just said why did you appoint an official who is rubbish and not up to the job. There was no need to bring luton into it if we weren’t questioning the motives of the pgmol

Unconscious bias isn't corruption is it. It exist everywhere but in some cases it is avoidable. 

Officiating has been that bad this year I can't see how Howard Webb's job isn't at risk.

[wassy04]

I don't have an issue with var as it works in other sports and has helped to eliminate errors. The problem is that the way it has been implemented in this country is completely flawed.

That Coventry goal was shocking - the player gained no advantage from having his toenail supposedly ahead of the last defender. Nobody appealled for it. No one could see any issue with it and the complete lack of transparency is what is killing the game because the decisions are baffling. And it is this lack of transparency that is fuelling conspiracy theories. It is so easy to resolve, the fact that they haven't only adds fuel to the fire. Is it because they are all mates and it would uncover their unprofessionalism? Ultimately if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.

And then there are those spaffing on about the fact that  without var we would not have had a penalty... I'm not so sure. I think var has made refs less willing to call big decisions and become reliant on var.

Also if the var receiver is worried about highlighting a mistake to an experienced ref, then neither should be involved at this level. That's just arrogance and it breeds complacency and mistakes.

God I hate what Football has become. Sucks the life out of it

It sucks but fwiw the Man Utd keeper appealed aggressively and instantly for the offside. 

They have the pick a frame to draw lines and they picked that one. Feels like they got it right with the information they had. Not everything is a conspiracy and sometimes it's just close either way.

VAR is shit, not fit for purpose and also just not fun. However, as most allude to VAR allows refs/linesman to not make decisions. If it doesn't exist then perhaps he gives offside anyway we'll never know.

[ToryTom]

I suspect the premier league and pgmol will care and it will have negative consequences for our football club and probably us as well. You don’t go around making unproven allegations without their being some comeback

You are not the prem or the pgmol thought and Im guessing a geezer called sausage roll wont be presenting to them.

Also, just to correct our tory friend....we haven't accused anyone of corruption. We said we warned pgmol about him being a Luton fan, which we apparently did. We subsequently followed up to say that no ref with any link to a game result should be var or ref, for their own good, in case of c**k ups. 

There was a talk sport interview with a previous head of refs who had said that he put in place guidelines (that are now clearly not followed) that would have meant atwell would never have been involved in our game against Everton....as a duty of care towards the ref.

why would would we be complaining about him being a Luton fan if we didn’t think he would be biased against us. why did being a luton fan even matter if wasn’t because we are in a relegation scrap with them and feared we would lose it. By saying we warned them about this and they refused to listen we are at least implying there was some kind of conspiracy against us and the pgmol
want us relegated. we could of just said why did you appoint an official who is rubbish and not up to the job. There was no need to bring luton into it if we weren’t questioning the motives of the pgmol

Unconscious bias isn't corruption is it. It exist everywhere but in some cases it is avoidable. 

Officiating has been that bad this year I can't see how Howard Webb's job isn't at risk.

We were accusing them of deliberate conscious bias.

[Redgirl]

Even if it is lack of accountability and not a conspiracy the PL are aware of the glaring errors made week in week out by Refs andVAR but do nothing to stop it. The money that is at stake is in the tens of millions.
At least now the PL won’t be able to sweep it under the carpet, the can of worms is open and VAR will now be scrutinised within an inch of their lives. You watch this weekend, every dodgy decision will be dissected by the ‘experts’ who are now starting to turn, Rio Ferdinand questioned a decision last night. It can only be a good thing, they aren’t going to be able to hide now. Things will change from this.

[ToryTom]

Even if it is lack of accountability and not a conspiracy the PL are aware of the glaring errors made week in week out by Refs andVAR but do nothing to stop it. The money that is at stake is in the tens of millions.
At least now the PL won’t be able to sweep it under the carpet, the can of worms is open and VAR will now be scrutinised within an inch of their lives. You watch this weekend, every dodgy decision will be dissected by the ‘experts’ who are now starting to turn, Rio Ferdinand questioned a decision last night. It can only be a good thing, they aren’t going to be able to hide now. Things will change from this.

VAR needs to be abolished. Different argument to accusing the pgmol of being bent

[BomberBowyer]

Even if it is lack of accountability and not a conspiracy the PL are aware of the glaring errors made week in week out by Refs andVAR but do nothing to stop it. The money that is at stake is in the tens of millions.
At least now the PL won’t be able to sweep it under the carpet, the can of worms is open and VAR will now be scrutinised within an inch of their lives. You watch this weekend, every dodgy decision will be dissected by the ‘experts’ who are now starting to turn, Rio Ferdinand questioned a decision last night. It can only be a good thing, they aren’t going to be able to hide now. Things will change from this.

Exactly! People may or may not like what Forest have done or the way they went about it but this will hopefully end up with football being better for all going forward. Yes we probably look like whingers, yes some people may be laughing at us but someone had to make a stand and I don’t for one minute think this is about Attewell supporting Luton. This is about the fact that week in, week out we are seeing glaring errors, inconsistencies and poor decision making and not just for Forest. This is wide spread and damaging the game we all love. The FA, PGMOL, pundits etc can talk about bringing the game into disrepute as much as they like but the standard of our reffing and VAR is what is really doing that and fans are getting fed up of it, many ready to give up with football given not only the inconsistencies with reffing and VAR but also PSR and not only how clubs are treated but also those not part of the big six being restricted in truly competing.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

This isn’t going to end well. We will get the book thrown at us for this.

I honestly don't care what they throw at us Ozzy mate.

I have been fairly quiet on this issue because I wanted to have a good think about it.

I have now come to the conclusion that I am proud of my club for doing what they are doing and for taking a stance.

Other clubs , fans and pundits etc can say what they like I honestly couldn't give a toss.

But we are the ones who are standing up to the 'school bully' and if others want to hide behind their sofas in fear then shame on them.