The Premier League 2023/24

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

The thing is that Cooper did it with his team.

Unfortunately for Nuno he is having to do it with a team that is not his.

In my opinion any comparison is not valid.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

The head coach model revolves around having a consistent playing philosophy and recruitment model which means the coaching staff fit with the players under them.

Otherwise you have the system that we failed with for over 20 years of replacing the entire team every time there is a change in manager who wants his own squad and so on and so on. The player churn is why we make life so bloody hard for ourselves and why successive managers struggle to make a cohesive team. Not buying this not his team nonsense, However I remain fully behind Nuno.

[Username]

Really don't understand the meltdown on here on all threads. Yeah, a shame we didn't manage to hold on but a point is definitely a better result for us than them. The play since Nuno came in has been much better, coops would not have got us the 2 United victories, I don't think. So in my mind, we're 6 points better off for making the change. Set pieces are clearly a worry and it's annoying we're not improving but there is still time.

Keep the faith, couple of winnable home games now coming up. To be honest, 6 points might be enough this season (deduction dependant). It's not where any of us wanted to be this season, but if we can stay up, make some good signings, we're well set.... although the league is likely to be a lot harder next season.

Maybe, maybe not but there are games since then where I think we may well have done better. Certainly its a pretty pointless debate as we'll never know. 

Facts are 11 points from Nuno's 12 games and 14 from Cooper's 13 games. So I think it's a bit disingenuous to claim we're doing better.

14pts from 17 Cooper games, 0.82pts per game, 11pts from 12 Nuno games, 0.92 pts per game
Yes it’s not good but it’s a slight improvement.

Bad maths on my part, can't count! I certainly don't see it as a clear improvement either way, marginally better so far.

Non statistically speaking I'd say it's clear that we're much closer in almost all games under nuno. Without the bad luck we've had, the vast majority would agree that we've deserved more points than we've accumulated since Nuno took over. That's not an excuse, it's still worrying, but I believe that our 'luck' simply has to change and we will achieve the required points.

Why does it ‘have’ to change?

Without being rude this kind of attitude would have fitted in well with the band playing on the Titanic.

[Trailer Park Tom]

Great game at Old Trafford

[Forest1970]

Klopp ain't getting the FA Cup. Bad luck old boy

[JWJW]

There is no comparison as Nuno got stuffed by Afcon.

Anyone trying to compare is clutching at straws and ignoring reality.

[Jacksbadhobbits]

There is no comparison as Nuno got stuffed by Afcon.

Anyone trying to compare is clutching at straws and ignoring reality.

The reality is we are not accumulating any more points, making the same mistakes and battling to stay out of the relegation zone. So far sacking Cooper and appointing Nuno hasn’t worked. Those two early wins against Newcastle and Man utd are just giving Nuno a better points ratio but they are increasingly looking like a distant memory. Our form throughout 2024 has been abysmal and on a par with Cooper’s worst runs. Not just in the league either. We made such hard work of beating Blackpool and needed penalties against Bristol. It was a big call to sack Cooper considering what he had done in the previousTm two years, including keeping us in the division in a season long relegation battle. The view was he had run out of ideas and a change would improve our form. It hasn’t. No getting away from that. Cooper is history now though and the question is would a change improve our results now. My view is they couldn’t get much worse.

[Jacksbadhobbits]

There is no comparison as Nuno got stuffed by Afcon.

Anyone trying to compare is clutching at straws and ignoring reality.

The reality is we are not accumulating any more points, making the same mistakes and battling to stay out of the relegation zone. So far sacking Cooper and appointing Nuno hasn’t worked. Those two early wins against Newcastle and Man utd are just giving Nuno a better points ratio but they are increasingly looking like a distant memory. Our form throughout 2024 has been abysmal and on a par with Cooper’s worst runs. Not just in the league either. We made such hard work of beating Blackpool and needed penalties against Bristol. It was a big call to sack Cooper considering what he had done in the previousTm two years, including keeping us in the division in a season long relegation battle. The view was he had run out of ideas and a change would improve our form. It hasn’t. No getting away from that. Cooper is history now though and the question is would a change improve our results now. My view is they couldn’t get much worse.

[Tricky]

Really don't understand the meltdown on here on all threads. Yeah, a shame we didn't manage to hold on but a point is definitely a better result for us than them. The play since Nuno came in has been much better, coops would not have got us the 2 United victories, I don't think. So in my mind, we're 6 points better off for making the change. Set pieces are clearly a worry and it's annoying we're not improving but there is still time.

Keep the faith, couple of winnable home games now coming up. To be honest, 6 points might be enough this season (deduction dependant). It's not where any of us wanted to be this season, but if we can stay up, make some good signings, we're well set.... although the league is likely to be a lot harder next season.

Maybe, maybe not but there are games since then where I think we may well have done better. Certainly its a pretty pointless debate as we'll never know. 

Facts are 11 points from Nuno's 12 games and 14 from Cooper's 13 games. So I think it's a bit disingenuous to claim we're doing better.

14pts from 17 Cooper games, 0.82pts per game, 11pts from 12 Nuno games, 0.92 pts per game
Yes it’s not good but it’s a slight improvement.

Bad maths on my part, can't count! I certainly don't see it as a clear improvement either way, marginally better so far.

Non statistically speaking I'd say it's clear that we're much closer in almost all games under nuno. Without the bad luck we've had, the vast majority would agree that we've deserved more points than we've accumulated since Nuno took over. That's not an excuse, it's still worrying, but I believe that our 'luck' simply has to change and we will achieve the required points.

Maybe if our forwards improved their scoring abilities more we will achieve the required points. While everyone keeps going on about defending set pieces being our downfall, failing to score some of the chances we have created over the course of the season should also be defining areas of concern.

Football is a simple game. If you score more goals than your opponents, you win the game. Simple! We have had so many opportunities to score more goals, but have wasted the chances. 

We have had bad decisions made against us, I'm not disputing that fact, but we have also been the architects of our own downfall by squandering more chances than a dodgy refereeing decision made against us by the officials per game. 

Luck doesnt come into it.

[ozzyten10]

All teams miss chances- look at the Liverpool Man U game yesterday.

[JWJW]

There is no comparison as Nuno got stuffed by Afcon.

Anyone trying to compare is clutching at straws and ignoring reality.

The reality is we are not accumulating any more points, making the same mistakes and battling to stay out of the relegation zone. So far sacking Cooper and appointing Nuno hasn’t worked. Those two early wins against Newcastle and Man utd are just giving Nuno a better points ratio but they are increasingly looking like a distant memory. Our form throughout 2024 has been abysmal and on a par with Cooper’s worst runs. Not just in the league either. We made such hard work of beating Blackpool and needed penalties against Bristol. It was a big call to sack Cooper considering what he had done in the previousTm two years, including keeping us in the division in a season long relegation battle. The view was he had run out of ideas and a change would improve our form. It hasn’t. No getting away from that. Cooper is history now though and the question is would a change improve our results now. My view is they couldn’t get much worse.

So Steve Cooper had Afcon too in the first part of the season and lost 6 players to Afcon.

I missed that........

We beat Newcastle and Manure and then Afcon came along and messed it all up.  We still dont have Aina back and Boly has only just come back.


Thats the reality - your ignoring reality, but thats your choice to if you want to slag off Nuno.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

We beat Man Utd with only 2 African players in the team, Aina and Niakhate.
Since then Niakhate hasn’t been in Nuno’s team. Therefore its just Aina we have had to manage without for that period.