Stevie Cooper
To be fair EM has backed Cooper to the hilt. We wouldnt be in the Prem if it wasnt for EM employing Cooper, we wouldnt be in the Prem if it wasnt for his investment.
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The Nuno has earned a reputation for playing highly conservative football and building a solid defensive foundation playing an extremely well-drilled 3-4-3 at Molineux.
Often, the shape would convert into a 5-4-1 for large parts of Wolves’ games when Nuno’s men were sitting in a low block, making it difficult for teams to break them down.
At spurs Nuno opted to use a 4-3-3, believing that the team did not possess enough quality centre-backs to use a back three however the low block was still the main feature of the teams set up.
Nuno earned a reputation for being a ‘defensive’ coach, using blistering counterattacks and solid defensive principles to make his sides tough to beat. Where Wolves and Spurs fell down was when they were tasked with having much more of the ball than their opponents. Nuno’s teams struggled to create passing patterns and move the opposition to create space and chances. Nuno’s void of attacking principles and inability to coach attacking movement is also what lead to the players uprising at Al-Ittihad and would eventually get him the sack.
Nonetheless, formations have merely become a method to quantify the starting position of each player on a football pitch in the modern game, especially in possession so lets have a look at most common patterns in possession.
Nuno’s teams players have no set positions with the exception of the CB’s and GK. The rest are free to run and move as they please to create chaos especially against teams that follow the zonal marking systems.
Wide overloads are the most common tactic used and you will see a triangle with the fullback, winger and number ’10’, but the movement isn’t limited so, often, the winger can hold the width with the fullback inverting and the midfielder sitting at the base. Nuno wants at least one player making a run behind the defensive line in order to drag the defence with him, creating separation between the defence and the midfield lines. Meanwhile, one player stays wide to stretch the opposition’s block horizontally to try and decompact the space between each player which also causes gaps to open up across the pitch.
The issue with Nuno’s teams lack of structure with the ball and the search for number superiority on one side of the pitch leave the teams open to counter attacking football especially in central areas. This is why he likes to have 3 CB’s playing a low block system to give them time to move to intercept runners on a counter attack. Sadly for him at his time at Wolves and Spurs opposition managers realised that they could win possession of the ball and rather than fast counter keep it in the midfield areas to build up a more meaningful attack as players were largely out of position.
It may sound that Nuno’s team want possession of the ball but that couldn’t be further than the truth. Tactics in the attacking phase are not focused on being patient on the ball. Nuno wants his players to try and reach the opposition’s penalty area as quickly and as efficiently as possible. Ball’s over the top into % dangerous areas are a main stay of his teams.
My personal opinion is Nuno’s tactics are fast becoming outdated and teams now have in place countermeasures as standard for dealing with this type of football. It is true we do have the kind of players that Nuno would like and we do play the low block system already so it wouldn’t take long for him to introduce as few bits a bobs onto what we do already but I would question if we have the speed and the front players needed to make him a success especially as when it comes to that part of the pitch players are left to their own devises.
Still if he is to arrive at the city ground he has my support and we can hope for an upturn. He may even reinvent himself and the way his teams play and all this past review stuff is no longer valid.
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Something had to give we simply cannot continue sliding down the league, with Cooper at the helm that's exactly what would  happen, so if this has to happen then so be it, I would prefer Cooper to have been able to change it around and get these player's performing better than they have been, but everyone and his dog could see this bunch are not going to be firing on all cylinders.

If Nuno or who ever gets the job, I will support them as I have done with Cooper, but I have become so bored of Cooperball and his low block style of football, I want to see our players put in a shift and get the points on the board, and that is not going to happen with Cooper.
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(19-12-2023, 12:46 PM)Marco Polo Wrote:
(19-12-2023, 12:35 PM)Forest1970 Wrote:
(19-12-2023, 12:16 PM)Marco Polo Wrote:
(19-12-2023, 12:11 PM)BomberBowyer Wrote:
(19-12-2023, 12:04 PM)Marco Polo Wrote: It was more that the ownership have a TERRIBLE track record in choosing owners and recruitment at this club. Cooper somehow stabilised it all despite all the madness. We’re back to the chaos. Make my words
None of us know for sure how it will go if we stick with Cooper or twist and try another manager. So equally if we stick with Cooper and get relegated shall those who think a change is sadly now needed come on and say told you so to you?  Not saying everything has been or is perfect with this ownership but if you feel you could do better then perhaps you should buy EM out and take over?

you're missing my point - I agree its time for a change. But I think we've all forgotten how chaotic it is under EM. I'm just saying, Cooper papered over a lot of cracks that I think will now reappear. For that i'll say I told you so

No I don't think we're missing your point. Everything thats going wrong is the owners fault and the whole place was a shower of shite before Cooper came in. Have you forgot how much shite Fatwaz left the place in when he left and you must realize it was never going to be a 5 minute fix for EM. Did Fatwaz put the kind of money in like the big man has to sort the club out and the answer is a big fat NO so you can't keep blaming the owner. I don't say this lightly but its the coaches job to get the players to do their job and unfortunately Cooper isn't doing that so the obvious thing to do is get rid of and get someone in who has different ideas. Simples ain't it  :Thumb:

Simples.

I’ll be back when we’re in the championship and ask you how simple it is.

No one can question the money he’s put in. But from what everyone says it’s absolute chaos. Just saying we’re back to the revolving door of managers now. Hope you’re ready for it

What is chaotic about it?

Were Wray and Scholar any better, no they were worse.

Were Doughty and Arthur any better, no they were worse.

Was Fawaz any better, no he was worse.

Tell you what EM is the best owner we have ever had and probably likely to have.

Is he perfect? No he isn't but we will never get better.

Be careful what you wish for.
Panic on the streets of London
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Sorry for questioning our very rich owner. Do you have the same respect for the Chelsea owner? Exactly the same scenario.

It clearly hits lots of nerves on here. I’m really looking forward to being having a revolving door of managers and being laughing stock again.
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(19-12-2023, 01:58 PM)Marco Polo Wrote: Sorry for questioning our very rich owner. Do you have the same respect for the Chelsea owner? Exactly the same scenario.

It clearly hits lots of nerves on here. I’m really looking  forward to being having a revolving door of managers and being laughing stock again.

Must admit I do fear the Watford approach.
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(19-12-2023, 01:58 PM)Marco Polo Wrote: Sorry for questioning our very rich owner. Do you have the same respect for the Chelsea owner? Exactly the same scenario.

It clearly hits lots of nerves on here. I’m really looking  forward to being having a revolving door of managers and being laughing stock again.

Thought you were coming back when we are in the Championship?
Panic on the streets of London
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Cooper did miracles getting us promoted only surpassed by some geezer who did the same with some bread and a few fishes.
Cooper kept us up, sure but a lot of people were saying give him 10 games this season and see how it goes. Well, he's had 17 games and it's not gone well has it?
Despite Millions spent by our benefactor performances has dropped off and if we do get relegated then the building blocks for the relegation have been firmly put in place by....Cooper, not Marinakis .I will not blame the new manager , if we do get one. The job of anyone coming in will have been undermined by these 17 games just gone. Confidence in the team looks shot and will take an age to get back.
Most clubs change managers on a regular basis and nothing to suggest that they are "laughing stock"
Please no more EM bashing we would be in administration without him.
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(19-12-2023, 12:58 PM)Mcforest Wrote: The Nuno has earned a reputation for playing highly conservative football and building a solid defensive foundation playing an extremely well-drilled 3-4-3 at Molineux.
Often, the shape would convert into a 5-4-1 for large parts of Wolves’ games when Nuno’s men were sitting in a low block, making it difficult for teams to break them down.
At spurs Nuno opted to use a 4-3-3, believing that the team did not possess enough quality centre-backs to use a back three however the low block was still the main feature of the teams set up.
Nuno earned a reputation for being a ‘defensive’ coach, using blistering counterattacks and solid defensive principles to make his sides tough to beat. Where Wolves and Spurs fell down was when they were tasked with having much more of the ball than their opponents. Nuno’s teams struggled to create passing patterns and move the opposition to create space and chances. Nuno’s void of attacking principles and inability to coach attacking movement is also what lead to the players uprising at Al-Ittihad and would eventually get him the sack.
Nonetheless, formations have merely become a method to quantify the starting position of each player on a football pitch in the modern game, especially in possession so lets have a look at most common patterns in possession.
Nuno’s teams players have no set positions with the exception of the CB’s and GK. The rest are free to run and move as they please to create chaos especially against teams that follow the zonal marking systems.
Wide overloads are the most common tactic used and you will see a triangle with the fullback, winger and number ’10’, but the movement isn’t limited so, often, the winger can hold the width with the fullback inverting and the midfielder sitting at the base. Nuno wants at least one player making a run behind the defensive line in order to drag the defence with him, creating separation between the defence and the midfield lines. Meanwhile, one player stays wide to stretch the opposition’s block horizontally to try and decompact the space between each player which also causes gaps to open up across the pitch.
The issue with Nuno’s teams lack of structure with the ball and the search for number superiority on one side of the pitch leave the teams open to counter attacking football especially in central areas. This is why he likes to have 3 CB’s playing a low block system to give them time to move to intercept runners on a counter attack. Sadly for him at his time at Wolves and Spurs opposition managers realised that they could win possession of the ball and rather than fast counter keep it in the midfield areas to build up a more meaningful attack as players were largely out of position.
It may sound that Nuno’s team want possession of the ball but that couldn’t be further than the truth. Tactics in the attacking phase are not focused on being patient on the ball. Nuno wants his players to try and reach the opposition’s penalty area as quickly and as efficiently as possible. Ball’s over the top into % dangerous areas are a main stay of his teams.
My personal opinion is Nuno’s tactics are fast becoming outdated and teams now have in place countermeasures as standard for dealing with this type of football. It is true we do have the kind of players that Nuno would like and we do play the low block system already so it wouldn’t take long for him to introduce as few bits a bobs onto what we do already but I would question if we have the speed and the front players needed to make him a success especially as when it comes to that part of the pitch players are left to their own devises.
Still if he is to arrive at the city ground he has my support and we can hope for an upturn. He may even reinvent himself and the way his teams play and all this past review stuff is no longer valid.

So he's Portuguese Cooper then.
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(19-12-2023, 12:59 PM)Madforit Wrote: Something had to give we simply cannot continue sliding down the league, with Cooper at the helm that's exactly what would  happen, so if this has to happen then so be it, I would prefer Cooper to have been able to change it around and get these player's performing better than they have been, but everyone and his dog could see this bunch are not going to be firing on all cylinders.

If Nuno or who ever gets the job, I will support them as I have done with Cooper, but I have become so bored of Cooperball and his low block style of football, I want to see our players put in a shift and get the points on the board, and that is not going to happen with Cooper.

Wont happen with NES either tbf.
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(19-12-2023, 01:58 PM)Marco Polo Wrote: Sorry for questioning our very rich owner. Do you have the same respect for the Chelsea owner? Exactly the same scenario.

It clearly hits lots of nerves on here. I’m really looking  forward to being having a revolving door of managers and being laughing stock again.

Blimey you are a "Glass half empty" type of person aren't you. Chill out because if something isn't working it needs fixing don't it and thats what going to be happening.
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(19-12-2023, 02:18 PM)DeesideRed Wrote:
(19-12-2023, 12:59 PM)Madforit Wrote: Something had to give we simply cannot continue sliding down the league, with Cooper at the helm that's exactly what would  happen, so if this has to happen then so be it, I would prefer Cooper to have been able to change it around and get these player's performing better than they have been, but everyone and his dog could see this bunch are not going to be firing on all cylinders.

If Nuno or who ever gets the job, I will support them as I have done with Cooper, but I have become so bored of Cooperball and his low block style of football, I want to see our players put in a shift and get the points on the board, and that is not going to happen with Cooper.

Wont happen with NES either tbf.

Let's not write him off before he starts.(if he starts)
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