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(07-12-2023, 01:06 PM)Shawoddyred Wrote: (07-12-2023, 01:02 PM)Tricky Wrote: Ok, Here's something to mull over.............
Why do players never get the sack for under-performing? Why is it always the manager?
I know some will say players have got contracts etc, which the club are obliged to honour etc, but so do Managers! What is the difference? Why? when players are clearly not pulling their weight for the massive wages they get, are they always exempt from dismissal? It never happens anywhere else within employment, why football?
If I constantly under-performed at work, I would be down the road, plain and simple. If my Manager was to under-perform, he would be down the road too! Why is football different?
At the end of the day, football has to be governed by the same employment laws the rest of the country have to adhere to, so I am at a loss as to why footballers are constantly un-touchable, yet managers are expendable.
I appreciate players are bought, often with large sums of money involved and clubs can't afford to just throw x number of millions down the drain by getting rid of a player. But it isnt right that the said player(s) is/are allowed to underperform to such an extent the club suffers (as Forest did last night), yet it is almost likely it will be the Manager that has to bite the bullet. It's wrong!!
Because they are more tradable and more considered as assets. There a multiple players, whereas a single manager has a job that is to get the best out of all the other club assets, so the collective value of the club can go up if a manager gets sacked (even at great expense) and the new guy improves the performances of the players and therefore their perceived value....
Yes I know all that Showaddy. I was pointing out though that whilst it will always be the manager that gets the chop, is it right that he has to go as a result of players chucking him under the bus by only performing half arsed? These players that have cost in excess of £200M are allowed to drag our club closer to the Championship again, which will potentially cost the club countless millions in doing so and they get to f**k off to another club whilst not taking any responsibility for the mess they leave the club, it's fans and city in.
No its not right! But, despite Cooper chopping players and bringing in a new look starting XI, partly due to him being hamstringed yet again by injury to key players, but also to address the crap that was served up against Everton on Saturday, it will ultimately be him that gets the sack.
I would sooner Cooper keeps his job, drops the likes of Sangare and co, who weren't that bothered and didnt care and let some of the U21's have a run out. Whilst we may still lose the game, at least those lads would give 100% to the shirt
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(07-12-2023, 01:02 PM)Tricky Wrote: Ok, Here's something to mull over.............
Why do players never get the sack for under-performing? Why is it always the manager?
I know some will say players have got contracts etc, which the club are obliged to honour etc, but so do Managers! What is the difference? Why? when players are clearly not pulling their weight for the massive wages they get, are they always exempt from dismissal? It never happens anywhere else within employment, why football?
If I constantly under-performed at work, I would be down the road, plain and simple. If my Manager was to under-perform, he would be down the road too! Why is football different?
At the end of the day, football has to be governed by the same employment laws the rest of the country have to adhere to, so I am at a loss as to why footballers are constantly un-touchable, yet managers are expendable.
I appreciate players are bought, often with large sums of money involved and clubs can't afford to just throw x number of millions down the drain by getting rid of a player. But it isnt right that the said player(s) is/are allowed to underperform to such an extent the club suffers (as Forest did last night), yet it is almost likely it will be the Manager that has to bite the bullet. It's wrong!!
100% agree, always gets me. It's partly due to the transfer window, there should really be a manager transfer window too. Given the importance people seem to give to managers it really surprises me how willing teams are to get rid of them when things go wrong. You'd think the top ones you'd want to pay big bucks to acquire them just the same as players.
Also, on a similar vein, why is a manager allowed to quit his contract to take over a new team but a player isn't?
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I’m not sure Sangare looks ‘can’t be bothered’ rather just not at premier league intensity fit? He looks fine in the initial part of the game but then is anonymous second half. We miss Yates’ intensity- I hope Dominguez would make up for that but he is often pressing in his own.
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(07-12-2023, 10:28 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I am flagging him up, I won't let him get away with it...
Sangare was an absolute disgrace last night.
Get him listed and get him gone in January.
Harsh? Maybe but that is how I feel right now.
Not the first time either, he had the same attitude at Liverpool earlier in the season, disgusting to watch.
Having watched him plenty (I live in NL) I had him pegged as someone who wouldn't fit the premier league despite of his supposed physical qualities. Was far too lax with the ball in the Eredivisie and prone to big errors in the only important games PSV play, so to expect him to come and play in a league where he has no time on the ball was wishful thinking from who ever recruited him.. Last night the first goal was a standard thing I've seen often and I said when he lost it that it was going to be 1-0..
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(07-12-2023, 11:44 AM)DeesideRed Wrote: (07-12-2023, 10:28 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: I am flagging him up, I won't let him get away with it...
Sangare was an absolute disgrace last night.
Get him listed and get him gone in January.
Harsh? Maybe but that is how I feel right now.
Not the first time either, he had the same attitude at Liverpool earlier in the season, disgusting to watch.
I was always cautious about signing someone who thinks they are bigger than the club. He's not arsed, he's going on to bigger and better things in his head.
To be blunt... If he was as good as he thinks he might be, he wouldn't be arriving here on the last day of the transfer window and also would've left the eredvisie at the same time as Ziyech, van de beek etc..
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Never thought I’d see the day that of all people, Joe and Scott end up in bomb squad. Appreciate some contract issues with Scott but these are proper committed guys. It’s all gone very sour. Need a strong response vs Wolves
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(07-12-2023, 04:11 PM)Deeler16 Wrote: Never thought I’d see the day that of all people, Joe and Scott end up in bomb squad. Appreciate some contract issues with Scott but these are proper committed guys. It’s all gone very sour. Need a strong response vs Wolves
Cooper said "we need to stick together", I'm not sure banishing our club captain 3 months after signing a new contract is a very good luck
Behind the scenes sounds like an absolute shambles
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I have my own thoughts on this - it is the vicious to me that Worrall and mckenna have been bombed quite ruthlessly. That’s football but the question of commitment from those is very different to what I saw last night. I have questioned the pairs ability but never attitude. Even after Luton I thought Worrall was made a bit of a scapegoat - it was the move not to go to a 3 or press higher that was the main reason we drew that game.
Worrall is club captain and may well be very much liked by all and this could be a reaction to that. But surely Joe himself wouldn’t want Forest to be imploding.
I happen to think there is much more going on - and wouldn’t be surprised if this is more to do with an upstairs decision and instruction not to play certain players and cooper has lost respect for going with it. Hope I’m wrong because any manager would struggle with that- even Pep!
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Results can bury or obscure the problems of a team. A strong run of results at the end of last season, and a brief stretch of positive results this season had many fans overlooking the obvious. We haven't much offensive talent. The better part of it went out the door with the Johnson transfer. We took a big step backwards in goal. Our manager's lineups are a desperate shotgun approach to finding the best in this group, instead of figuring that out on the practice ground. We all knew it, but kept giving Cooper more rope because of these brief stretches of results. Now, we're seeing the EXPECTED results of what the club has done and Cooper's management style.
There is no mutiny. The players have stopped OVERperforming.
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Samba in goal, Lodi and Brennan still here I genuinely feel we wouldn't be in this mess.
But that's in the past.
I don't like this bad feel behind the scenes. It really needs addressing and Pronto.
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I think the player have no clue what they are suppose to do.
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I think the players have no ability to do what they are being asked to do. Which in itself is poor. I can’t believe the make up of the squad is so based on wing back system and we have ditched it. On the face of it this is at coopers door but I’m sure it runs deeper…
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