Diogo Goncalves & Joao Carvalho

[Strawberry Avenger]

Lolley is out of form. He needs a break? Or his fitness is touch and go.

Os? Steps up. Superbly against Leeds. He's a decent player.

He may have dipped a bit during the bad run. So did everyone else.

Its a squad game.

I don't think there is much Dias, Car', Gon or Lolley can do that Os can't.

SA.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Back on track Goncalves and Carvalho.

Carvalho works very hard for the team and he has that bit of class about him, that killer pass to open up a defence and lay on a chance. If I had one complaint about him it would be his set piece deliveries, I believe there is room for improvement there.

Goncalves, I think he will leave the club in January.

[GaribaldiRED]

I totally agree with you on that point. Opinions differ but the question is if it really should differ. If you disregard any non-footballing reasons like looks, hairstyle, tattoos etc. and just try to evaluate the player purely based on footballing reasons it shouldn't be that big of a gap in opinions. My theory is that most football fans don't really understand roles and responsibilities of the different team formations and are not trained enough to be able to do a proper analysis of a game. For example. most fans tend to just follow the ball and don't really see what's happening off the ball.

The Osborn haters will probably argue that he was the worst player on the pitch against Leeds and that his goal was just pure luck  :D

Wow GB I do find that post a touch patronising. Whoever bases their thoughts on a player by their looks? Where has that come from.
The majority of fans I know base their thoughts on the whole game not just ball watching.
I know of no Forest Fans who 'hate' a player they might not rate them but 'hate' is a very harsh word to use. I certainly would never say I hated anyone in a Red Shirt.

I see what you mean and I apologize if I have offended anybody but when somebody writes that "I don’t rate Osborn one bit and never have done" I just have to comment. I fully recognize that this is this person's opinion but to me that statement can hardly be backed by any football related reasons.

[Redgirl]

Sorry GB may have been a little over sensitive keeping off the BO subjects from now

[Strawberry Avenger]

Back on track Goncalves and Carvalho.

Carvalho works very hard for the team and he has that bit of class about him, that killer pass to open up a defence and lay on a chance. If I had one complaint about him it would be his set piece deliveries, I believe there is room for improvement there.

Goncalves, I think he will leave the club in January.

Gon', from the outset, seemed ill equipped to deal with the Championship.  I don't think it's necessarily being 'big' as Os' isn't.  But it's being mentally attuned to it.

I think, as Master Garibaldi Red has suggested(?) that The Three Amigos have found the high pressing a culture shock.

Of the three, Car' has waded in and works for the team and is up for the fight.  (And wasn't he the less lauded out of he and Gon'?)

Dias?  Where did that pre-season player go?

I think the faultline of this team, if any is there, lay in the pre-season game vs Oldham where I wasn't sure they could handle a 'less civilised' form of football combat.

Haven't said that, Forest did well pre-season against one team that almost kicked them off the park.

Vs WBA, Gon' didn't track back for WBA's goal or we'd have won.  (Sound familiar with Dias pulling out of a 50/50 vs Norwich and they score?)  You've got to be up for the physical battle.  You can't at his young age not chase back and let the player go past you and score.


So, as SnifferDog suggests, he's probably going back.  Shame.  As, before the two footed challenge, he seemed to be doing well.  Then sent off.  Frustration perhaps that his time here hasn't gone well.  It should have gone better.  But then, Birtles didn't do well at Man U?  And it wasn't for the want of trying.

Dias.  Might be another 'could have been.'

SA.

[TheGreenMan]

I totally agree with you on that point. Opinions differ but the question is if it really should differ. If you disregard any non-footballing reasons like looks, hairstyle, tattoos etc. and just try to evaluate the player purely based on footballing reasons it shouldn't be that big of a gap in opinions. My theory is that most football fans don't really understand roles and responsibilities of the different team formations and are not trained enough to be able to do a proper analysis of a game. For example. most fans tend to just follow the ball and don't really see what's happening off the ball.

The Osborn haters will probably argue that he was the worst player on the pitch against Leeds and that his goal was just pure luck  :D

Wow GB I do find that post a touch patronising. Whoever bases their thoughts on a player by their looks? Where has that come from.
The majority of fans I know base their thoughts on the whole game not just ball watching.
I know of no Forest Fans who 'hate' a player they might not rate them but 'hate' is a very harsh word to use. I certainly would never say I hated anyone in a Red Shirt.

I see what you mean and I apologize if I have offended anybody but when somebody writes that "I don’t rate Osborn one bit and never have done" I just have to comment. I fully recognize that this is this person's opinion but to me that statement can hardly be backed by any football related reasons.

Probably like yourself I’ve seen a lot of football over the years, been a season ticket holder for many years and go away very often So I like to think I do know a little bit about football. But why should you presume why I don’t rate him. I don’t rate him because I don’t think he’s a very intelligent footballer in the slightest and if we’re to move on to that next level then we should be looking to move players like him on. 

You’re a fully signed up member of the Ben Osborn fan club, good for you pal and well done. But we all see things differently I think you need to remember that before you get all patronising as to why someone might see things differently to yourself.

[Username]

Did anyone notice that when Carv and Colback were celebrating our first goal against Leeds that Carv put his arm around Jack and Jack chucked it off.

Very strange.

[GaribaldiRED]

I totally agree with you on that point. Opinions differ but the question is if it really should differ. If you disregard any non-footballing reasons like looks, hairstyle, tattoos etc. and just try to evaluate the player purely based on footballing reasons it shouldn't be that big of a gap in opinions. My theory is that most football fans don't really understand roles and responsibilities of the different team formations and are not trained enough to be able to do a proper analysis of a game. For example. most fans tend to just follow the ball and don't really see what's happening off the ball.

The Osborn haters will probably argue that he was the worst player on the pitch against Leeds and that his goal was just pure luck  :D

Wow GB I do find that post a touch patronising. Whoever bases their thoughts on a player by their looks? Where has that come from.
The majority of fans I know base their thoughts on the whole game not just ball watching.
I know of no Forest Fans who 'hate' a player they might not rate them but 'hate' is a very harsh word to use. I certainly would never say I hated anyone in a Red Shirt.

I see what you mean and I apologize if I have offended anybody but when somebody writes that "I don’t rate Osborn one bit and never have done" I just have to comment. I fully recognize that this is this person's opinion but to me that statement can hardly be backed by any football related reasons.

Probably like yourself I’ve seen a lot of football over the years, been a season ticket holder for many years and go away very often So I like to think I do know a little bit about football. But why should you presume why I don’t rate him. I don’t rate him because I don’t think he’s a very intelligent footballer in the slightest and if we’re to move on to that next level then we should be looking to move players like him on. 

You’re a fully signed up member of the Ben Osborn fan club, good for you pal and well done. But we all  see things differently I think you need to remember that before you get all patronising as to why someone might see things differently to yourself.

See your point. Players who can easily slot into 4 or 5 different positions/roles on the pitch tend to have less football intelligence than other. Good observation  :D

Seriously, I have no problem with other people having a different view than mine regarding a player but I do expect them to be able to argue their case based on football related reasons.

[Username]

Probably a discussion for another thread.

[Duncan Mckenzie]

Back on track Goncalves and Carvalho.

Carvalho works very hard for the team and he has that bit of class about him, that killer pass to open up a defence and lay on a chance. If I had one complaint about him it would be his set piece deliveries, I believe there is room for improvement there.

Goncalves, I think he will leave the club in January.

I agree about the set piece deliveries. 

Osborns deloveries were much better than Carvalhos against Leeds when he came on.

[Dog and Bear]

I see that Goncalves scored in the CL for Copenhagan against Man United the other night.