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They could threaten to declare the match null & void & to be replayed behind closed doors.
I completely get the overwhelming emotion & the buzz of running onto the pitch after a big game & it should be part of the celebration. If I'd managed to get a ticket I would have been on that pitch for sure, but as others have said it's a fatal incident waiting to happen. In anything good there's always a complete moron just waiting to ruin it for everybody. The way the players get surrounded it would be so easy for someone in that ruck to stick a knife into a player & nobody would know who it was, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already.
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Really? It is possible something serious could happen but remains highly unlikely, didnt even happen back in the 70s and 80s. Worst case scenario really is that some punches are thrown or the Billy Sharp incident.
If you thought there could always be an idiot lurking with a knife then you would never go out in public.
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(19-05-2023, 09:47 AM)WrexhamRed Wrote: They could threaten to declare the match null & void & to be replayed behind closed doors.
I completely get the overwhelming emotion & the buzz of running onto the pitch after a big game & it should be part of the celebration. If I'd managed to get a Wembley ticket I would have been on that pitch for sure, but as others have said it's a fatal incident waiting to happen. In anything good there's always a complete moron just waiting to ruin it for everybody. The way the players get surrounded it would be so easy for someone in that ruck to stick a knife into a player & nobody would know who it was, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already.
I have to disagree. It shouldn't be a part of the celebration. It's a criminal offence to enter the pitch or surrounding area. The club would be within their rights to take action against every single person that does it.
OK, in practicality that's not going to happen. However if fans keep doing it and - as you say - someone *does* do something incredibly stupid, then they might have to.
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(19-05-2023, 10:00 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Really? It is possible something serious could happen but remains highly unlikely, didnt even happen back in the 70s and 80s. Worst case scenario really is that some punches are thrown or the Billy Sharp incident.
If you thought there could always be an idiot lurking with a knife then you would never go out in public.
Doesn't need a knife for someone to die. What if that clown who ran into Sharp had knocked him over and he'd hit his head on something hard and cracked his skull?
I know some might think me a killjoy but I don't care. Yes people get emotional about it but in the main they're adults and should be able to control themselves better.
It's also selfish. There may be a lot of fans who physically can't run onto the pitch but would like to celebrate with the team. Everyone encroaching will deny them that opportunity.
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(19-05-2023, 10:00 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Really? It is possible something serious could happen but remains highly unlikely, didnt even happen back in the 70s and 80s. Worst case scenario really is that some punches are thrown or the Billy Sharp incident.
If you thought there could always be an idiot lurking with a knife then you would never go out in public.
Yes lock yourselves in and never go out.
Much higher chance of getting hurt going into town on a Friday or Saturday night than on a football pitch.
Also road rage incidents. Don't go out in your cars any more it's far too dangerous.
The pitch invasion was all in good spirits. It was exactly that, a celebration. No malice intended, no violence intended but a celebration.
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Surely that feeling of completely losing control in the moment is why we love the buzz of going to a match in the first place. It doesnt mean you have to do something stupid but there is just nothing like the euphoria of a great moment (something VAR is diminishing, not that the suits care, thats another point).
Not sure what you think the answer is. Fences are a non starter. The only way is to employ literally hundreds of security, riot police style and have them shoulder to shoulder surrounding the pitch. Apparently we had over 300 for the SheffUtd match last year and that wasn’t enough. Dont think it would help generate a feel good atmosphere or a family event.
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(19-05-2023, 10:19 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Surely that feeling of completely losing control in the moment is why we love the buzz of going to a match in the first place. It doesnt mean you have to do something stupid but there is just nothing like the euphoria of a great moment (something VAR is diminishing, not that the suits care, thats another point).
Not sure what you think the answer is. Fences are a non starter. The only way is to employ literally hundreds of security, riot police style and have them shoulder to shoulder surrounding the pitch. Apparently we had over 300 for the SheffUtd match last year and that wasn’t enough. Dont think it would help generate a feel good atmosphere or a family event.
That's the thing, there are no easy answers.
As I've said before, the club could identify everyone doing it and revoke their season tickets or ban them from attending, but that's not really practical.
I can see some clown at some club seriously injuring someone in the future - whether that's an opposing player, fan or an official. And I really wouldn't want that clown to be a Forest fan.
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It's part of the game and should remain so.
How many people have ever been seriously hurt during a celebratory pitch invasion? I would guess zero.
Compare that to how many people have been seriously hurt in a pub or nightclub or even just walking home in the street.
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(19-05-2023, 10:25 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote: It's part of the game and should remain so.
How many people have ever been seriously hurt during a celebratory pitch invasion? I would guess zero.
Compare that to how many people have been seriously hurt in a pub or nightclub or even just walking home in the street.
Just playing devil's advocate here cos like I said, in a perfect world, I think celebrating on the pitch with the players should be part of the game BUT......what you said there just highlights the fact that the world is full of dangerous people. If you can get attacked on the street for no reason then it is not beyond imagination that it could happen in such an emotionally charged atmosphere.
I've just watched a video on Twatter from last night's Wet Spam game showing the AZ fans trying to get into the players family enclosure & the players fighting to stop them......that's potentially the type of people we're talking about here. Just cos a serious or fatal injury hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.
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Oh & the 'shouldn't leave the house' argument is not valid.......there are many things that could kill us as soon as we step out of our front doors but you wouldn't be able to live a life if you didn't take that chance. Not invading a pitch would change nobody's life.
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WrexhamRed were you at the game?
Did you feel the level of adrenalin running through the body at the time, the excitement of winning on penalties, the excitement of going to Wembley etc etc. It's not quiet the same feeling you get when you decide to walk out of your house.
Believe me I know first hand how somebodies life can change in a flash on the street from first hand experience and I am talking death not a few bruises and scratches.
I am sure nobody went to the match with the intention of invading the pitch, there was no intent.
However if you lived the moment then you would understand why it happened.
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Firstly show me where I compared the feeling of walking out your front door to winning a play off semi final??? I didn't.
Having supported Forest for nearly 50 years I have lived in plenty of moments & have suffered as much as anyone else in the last 23 years.
Secondly, YOU may not have had any intent but you can't say that for everybody. I wonder if the guy that headbutted Billy Sharp had any intent when he ran onto the pitch? If he didn't & that was an 'in the moment' adrenaline thing then that's worse IMHO
Remember the vitriol from the wolves fans aimed at MGW cos of his celebration? Imagine if they'd won the shoot out & the wolves fans had invaded the pitch & surrounded him, that could've been messy.
Thirdly, as I've pointed out now twice, I'm actually agreeing with you that we SHOULD be able to celebrate with the players BUT I can also understand the counter argument that there are people that will ruin everybody's fun by doing something stupid.
Anyway, it's a debate that could go on forever so I'm done. Let's just hope & pray that nothing bad does happen & everyone can celebrate however they want to.
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