The Premier League 2022/23

[Shawoddyred]

Don't disagree with any of that, but your main points below are things that should have been done before this summer but Coops has a major hand in (I believe). So, what's to suggest he will change his approach?

It's just so frustrating as this debate wouldn't even be happening if we just had some better luck on injuries. Perhaps as little as Yates and Taiwo not getting injured would've been enough. Lets not forget the biggest issue we've had this year. We've looked way better whenever we've managed to get close to a full team out.

Maybe, maybe not. I think they make a difference but at the same time the obsession with playing a super low block with 5 at the back does my head in. I think the tactics have a ceiling and work best when we're playing with serious desperation, which only happens when we're desperate funnily enough and isn't sustainable. To be higher up the league we need to have a lot more of the ball and general game and territory control. That doesn't need to happen regardless of injuries.

But you are ignoring the fact that the playing squad has a ceiling too?

Yeah you make it sound like if we just changed tactics we'd be midtable, the team and in particular the avialable team due to injury was not able to do this.

Hopefully if we do stay up we can transition to a more sustainable style as the younger players improve, which they've been doing lately like Danilo.

Yup, the playing squad also limits you to an extent. But you need to play to the strengths of what we've got. Last year, Yates and Garner were able to hold their own against other midfields with a lot of help from Zinc and spence was our best outlet. This year, we don't have such a quality wingback (even Spence at this level would not be able to do what he did last year) and this years midfield are playing against better players. We don't play with wingbacks in our current system, we play with 5 at the back. Then, it really doesn't work in my opinion.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Big Sam confirmed. Interested to see how this pans out

That must be a new record changing managers with 4 games to go.

It could work for them but I hope not.

Big Sam will be on a massive bonus to keep them up and he'll have them fired up.

[Fumanchew]

Big Sam confirmed. Interested to see how this pans out

What must you be thinking as a Leeds player? Would you wanna work with him? Most of the brits will know him as the dodgy ex England manager! 

He got West Brom relegated from the prem two years ago and hasn’t managed since. They’re not gonna believe in him surely?

[wassy04]

It's just so frustrating as this debate wouldn't even be happening if we just had some better luck on injuries. Perhaps as little as Yates and Taiwo not getting injured would've been enough. Lets not forget the biggest issue we've had this year. We've looked way better whenever we've managed to get close to a full team out.

Maybe, maybe not. I think they make a difference but at the same time the obsession with playing a super low block with 5 at the back does my head in. I think the tactics have a ceiling and work best when we're playing with serious desperation, which only happens when we're desperate funnily enough and isn't sustainable. To be higher up the league we need to have a lot more of the ball and general game and territory control. That doesn't need to happen regardless of injuries.

But you are ignoring the fact that the playing squad has a ceiling too?

Yeah you make it sound like if we just changed tactics we'd be midtable, the team and in particular the avialable team due to injury was not able to do this.

Hopefully if we do stay up we can transition to a more sustainable style as the younger players improve, which they've been doing lately like Danilo.

Yup, the playing squad also limits you to an extent. But you need to play to the strengths of what we've got. Last year, Yates and Garner were able to hold their own against other midfields with a lot of help from Zinc and spence was our best outlet. This year, we don't have such a quality wingback (even Spence at this level would not be able to do what he did last year) and this years midfield are playing against better players. We don't play with wingbacks in our current system, we play with 5 at the back. Then, it really doesn't work in my opinion.

We've only played this current system for what Villa, Man Utd, Liverpool, Brighton and Brentford so tough baptism of fire. However, Neco was definitely playing as a wingback. Lodi ends up deeper but that was the case with the LWB last year anyway.

Also apart from Man Utd, the system is different to last year. It's one striker with a three in midfield and Mangala sitting behind that. Against Villa/Liverpool we had Danilo, MGW and Freuler and the last two Brennan played in that three. Whereas previously it was a front two with MGW in behind them. 

Now whether that can work without Danilo sadly is another issue. Maybe Yates can fill that gap, might be too advanced for him therefore we may see a return to 433 in the short term.

[wassy04]

Big Sam confirmed. Interested to see how this pans out

That must be a new record changing managers with 4 games to go.

It could work for them but I hope not.

Big Sam will be on a massive bonus to keep them up and he'll have them fired up.

I really hope this fails miserably, otherwise this will get brought up every time our manager loses a game next year and someone wants a change.

[nffc93]

Tony Pulis as number 2

[wassy04]

Big Sam certainly won't have the crowd support

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Big Sam certainly won't have the crowd support

As soon as they go 1-0 up he will, make no mistake about that.

Hopefully they won't go 1-0 up.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I guess this is the ultimate test of whether the new manager bounce works.

Leeds this season also the perfect example of what happens when a previously over achieving manager is deemed no longer to be good enough and they are replaced with ill-judged appointments with no previous experience.

[Sausage Roll]

Big Sam certainly won't have the crowd support

As soon as they go 1-0 up he will, make no mistake about that.

Hopefully they won't go 1-0 up.

With Man City and Newcastle as their first two matches they might have to wait a while for that.

[wassy04]

I guess this is the ultimate test of whether the new manager bounce works.

Leeds this season also the perfect example of what happens when a previously over achieving manager is deemed no longer to be good enough and they are replaced with ill-judged appointments with no previous experience.

What's annoying with this is that if it works somehow, it will forever get used as a reason to change coach, even at the last minute.

If it fails, everyone will just say they'd have lost all 4 games anyway. It needs to go Lampard bad for it to make a dent in people's opinions.

It is an entirely different scenario really though than the one we've been in. Sacking an unpopular coach in Marsh that had not improved the team in his time there, to sacking another unpopular coach that also hadn't improved the team, so a bit more understandable.

[Ciscokid]

I suspect that new manager bounce happens when he allows the players more confidence and gives support for them playing more the pattern that they're used to and want to. In other words the departing coach restricted them causing bad feeling expressed or not. Simply don't know whether this is our situation or not but I think that Leeds will bounce because Sam will have little choice but to give the players full reign to express themselves. It is either boom or bust.