NFFC Financial Talk

[McDurban]

The benchmark for me is coutinho for £17m.
How that puts spence (or Brennan) in the £20m + category is beyond me- even if they are young.
But no one knows what or if anyone else has bid for him so we just have to wait and see I guess.

Even if we don’t get the likes of Lingard, it’s a new level as fans to be seriously in contention for this level of player.

I don’t think this has happened since we nearly signed baggio all those years ago….

What about the wage difference?

What wage difference?
I’m intrigued as to how you know what Forest will or won’t now pay in salaries.
Believe me, the old FFP rule book has been ripped up. It’s a completely new mandate.

And before you state the obvious, of course paying high wages is no guarantee of success … EXCEPT the difference this time is we are in a different market and EM trusts the recruitment team and manager. 
This time we are after a higher calibre of player. 
This time we are using statistics and deep background analytics to assess players. 
This time we will not be signing Harry Arter.

Coutinho will be on a bigger wage than Forest could afford, that is what drives his transfer price down.

What by £125m? 
That makes him on 600k a week at villa by your reckoning.
I’m being facetious, of course, but I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you know for a fact villa can pay more than forest and how for a fact forest cant compete with most premier clubs other than those with an oil related benefactor (a presumption I’ll grant you).

In plain English I make two points:
Don’t think forest can’t compete financially now BUT also
Don’t assume we will pay the stupid money being touted (initially) by some clubs.

I don't understand what you are saying. Above you ask me how I know for a fact that Forest can't compete financially with Villa and then you say you don't think Forest can compete with Villa. What are you disputing? Being facetious with the numbers does not help either.
There is nothing plain about your English.

[DR Forest]

What about the wage difference?

What wage difference?
I’m intrigued as to how you know what Forest will or won’t now pay in salaries.
Believe me, the old FFP rule book has been ripped up. It’s a completely new mandate.

And before you state the obvious, of course paying high wages is no guarantee of success … EXCEPT the difference this time is we are in a different market and EM trusts the recruitment team and manager. 
This time we are after a higher calibre of player. 
This time we are using statistics and deep background analytics to assess players. 
This time we will not be signing Harry Arter.

Coutinho will be on a bigger wage than Forest could afford, that is what drives his transfer price down.

What by £125m? 
That makes him on 600k a week at villa by your reckoning.
I’m being facetious, of course, but I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you know for a fact villa can pay more than forest and how for a fact forest cant compete with most premier clubs other than those with an oil related benefactor (a presumption I’ll grant you).

In plain English I make two points:
Don’t think forest can’t compete financially now BUT also
Don’t assume we will pay the stupid money being touted (initially) by some clubs.

I don't understand what you are saying. Above you ask me how I know for a fact that Forest can't compete financially with Villa and then you say you don't think Forest can compete with Villa. What are you disputing? Being facetious with the numbers does not help either.
There is nothing plain about your English.

Please re-read my post. I said ‘don’t think we can’t compete’… not ‘I don’t think we can compete’.

You said we can’t afford high wages
I said tell me how you know that for sure (because my understanding is we have a budget at least as big as most, apart from the obvious oil-backed clubs like city and Newcastle).

I grant that we won’t be paying inflated prices for players. I used coutinho as a yardstick for spence’s alleged inflated asking price. You said the coutinho transfer fee was only that price because of his high wages (which we couldn’t afford). 

So, I repeat my single question- please tell me how you know we aren’t competitive on salaries?

[McDurban]

What wage difference?
I’m intrigued as to how you know what Forest will or won’t now pay in salaries.
Believe me, the old FFP rule book has been ripped up. It’s a completely new mandate.

And before you state the obvious, of course paying high wages is no guarantee of success … EXCEPT the difference this time is we are in a different market and EM trusts the recruitment team and manager. 
This time we are after a higher calibre of player. 
This time we are using statistics and deep background analytics to assess players. 
This time we will not be signing Harry Arter.

Coutinho will be on a bigger wage than Forest could afford, that is what drives his transfer price down.

What by £125m? 
That makes him on 600k a week at villa by your reckoning.
I’m being facetious, of course, but I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you know for a fact villa can pay more than forest and how for a fact forest cant compete with most premier clubs other than those with an oil related benefactor (a presumption I’ll grant you).

In plain English I make two points:
Don’t think forest can’t compete financially now BUT also
Don’t assume we will pay the stupid money being touted (initially) by some clubs.

I don't understand what you are saying. Above you ask me how I know for a fact that Forest can't compete financially with Villa and then you say you don't think Forest can compete with Villa. What are you disputing? Being facetious with the numbers does not help either.
There is nothing plain about your English.

Please re-read my post. I said ‘don’t think we can’t compete’… not ‘I don’t think we can compete’.

You said we can’t afford high wages
I said tell me how you know that for sure (because my understanding is we have a budget at least as big as most, apart from the obvious oil-backed clubs like city and Newcastle).

I grant that we won’t be paying inflated prices for players. I used coutinho as a yardstick for spence’s alleged inflated asking price. You said the coutinho transfer fee was only that price because of his high wages (which we couldn’t afford). 

So, I repeat my single question- please tell me how you know we aren’t competitive on salaries?

Forest won't be paying 125k per week first season back in the premier.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

We've got loads of money!

[zicorice]

We've got loads of money!

Brilliant

[Jean_claude_killy]

Coutinho will be on a bigger wage than Forest could afford, that is what drives his transfer price down.

What by £125m? 
That makes him on 600k a week at villa by your reckoning.
I’m being facetious, of course, but I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you know for a fact villa can pay more than forest and how for a fact forest cant compete with most premier clubs other than those with an oil related benefactor (a presumption I’ll grant you).

In plain English I make two points:
Don’t think forest can’t compete financially now BUT also
Don’t assume we will pay the stupid money being touted (initially) by some clubs.

I don't understand what you are saying. Above you ask me how I know for a fact that Forest can't compete financially with Villa and then you say you don't think Forest can compete with Villa. What are you disputing? Being facetious with the numbers does not help either.
There is nothing plain about your English.

Please re-read my post. I said ‘don’t think we can’t compete’… not ‘I don’t think we can compete’.

You said we can’t afford high wages
I said tell me how you know that for sure (because my understanding is we have a budget at least as big as most, apart from the obvious oil-backed clubs like city and Newcastle).

I grant that we won’t be paying inflated prices for players. I used coutinho as a yardstick for spence’s alleged inflated asking price. You said the coutinho transfer fee was only that price because of his high wages (which we couldn’t afford). 

So, I repeat my single question- please tell me how you know we aren’t competitive on salaries?

Forest won't be paying 125k per week first season back in the premier.

We are guaranteed around 100m from TV money and it would be reckless to spend more than that.

We could spend 100m on transfers, for example, which would work out at 20m a season over 5 seasons, that leaves 80m for wages which averages out at around 60k per week, per player over a 25 man squad.

Some players would obviously get more than others so we might be able to stretch to 80 or 90k per week for one exceptional player; they then have to be careful that they do not upset the togetherness and team spirit.

If we adopt what appears to be a modus operandi and buy up and coming talent, we should not have too much difficulty in moving them on if things do not work out.

Not saying that is how things will pan out but it shows the kind of restraints we are working under.

[zicorice]

Coutinho will be on a bigger wage than Forest could afford, that is what drives his transfer price down.

What by £125m? 
That makes him on 600k a week at villa by your reckoning.
I’m being facetious, of course, but I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you know for a fact villa can pay more than forest and how for a fact forest cant compete with most premier clubs other than those with an oil related benefactor (a presumption I’ll grant you).

In plain English I make two points:
Don’t think forest can’t compete financially now BUT also
Don’t assume we will pay the stupid money being touted (initially) by some clubs.

I don't understand what you are saying. Above you ask me how I know for a fact that Forest can't compete financially with Villa and then you say you don't think Forest can compete with Villa. What are you disputing? Being facetious with the numbers does not help either.
There is nothing plain about your English.

Please re-read my post. I said ‘don’t think we can’t compete’… not ‘I don’t think we can compete’.

You said we can’t afford high wages
I said tell me how you know that for sure (because my understanding is we have a budget at least as big as most, apart from the obvious oil-backed clubs like city and Newcastle).

I grant that we won’t be paying inflated prices for players. I used coutinho as a yardstick for spence’s alleged inflated asking price. You said the coutinho transfer fee was only that price because of his high wages (which we couldn’t afford). 

So, I repeat my single question- please tell me how you know we aren’t competitive on salaries?

Forest won't be paying 125k per week first season back in the premier.

That's key isn't it? The money we are now getting is based on our first season. After more seasons that income is every year. Villa heading into 3rd season so must be over 300-400 million in that time coming in. 

The bin dippers have had serious money for a while now.  

Once established (and ground development done,) we will be competing for top players as we once again storm through Europe  blazing a Garibaldi trail as we go.

Staying up next year and back to Wembley for Caraboa Cup Final. That's fine for starters.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

2 reasons we wont pay silly money , financial prudence and team spirit.

Dane put a salary cap in place this season (18k?) so would assume we will have one this year although a fair bit higher, assume will also have a clause saying salary would drop should we be relegated.

Second what good has paying big money done in the past? We bought in Lyle Taylor on 30k plus, that went well. Our best performers have been our home grown players who are on significantly lower wages. How do you think Yates would feel for example if we brought in Lingard or other earning 10x his salary. Its the team spirit that has carried us to the PL, you dont risk that by dressing room squabbles over pay.

[Paplane]

2 reasons we wont pay silly money , financial prudence and team spirit.

Dane put a salary cap in place this season (18k?) so would assume we will have one this year although a fair bit higher, assume will also have a clause saying salary would drop should we be relegated.

Second what good has paying big money done in the past? We bought in Lyle Taylor on 30k plus, that went well. Our best performers have been our home grown players who are on significantly lower wages. How do you think Yates would feel for example if we brought in Lingard or other earning 10x his salary. Its the team spirit that has carried us to the PL, you dont risk that by dressing room squabbles over pay.

And Cooper's intelligent enough to realise that. I just hope he can keep a lid on Marinakis' enthusiasm.

[Marinakis Red]

We are very well off right now.

[jurgen rober]

I think we are in the hands of more responsible people now in terms of recruitment in respect to transfer fees and wages. I imagine most fees will be structured and there will be a wage cap of some description and the player pool we are fishing it at the moment we should be able to keep wages within limits. The team spirit and camaraderie helped us get promoted and we don't want to lose it.

[wassy04]

2 reasons we wont pay silly money , financial prudence and team spirit.

Dane put a salary cap in place this season (18k?) so would assume we will have one this year although a fair bit higher, assume will also have a clause saying salary would drop should we be relegated.

Second what good has paying big money done in the past? We bought in Lyle Taylor on 30k plus, that went well. Our best performers have been our home grown players who are on significantly lower wages. How do you think Yates would feel for example if we brought in Lingard or other earning 10x his salary. Its the team spirit that has carried us to the PL, you dont risk that by dressing room squabbles over pay.

And Cooper's intelligent enough to realise that. I just hope he can keep a lid on Marinakis' enthusiasm.

I feel there's a healthy middle ground between frugal and over spending that we can occupy. Lingard would definitely not fit the model though. If we're gonna overspend it should be on players with resale value