Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[Marinakis Red]

I think in all our recent sackings (and there are a lot of them) this is honestly the least I've cared who gets appointed. I'd normally be following every article, checking the odds every 10 mins etc. Just feel really apathetic towards the team right now.

I'd rather someone that played a more attacking style (although our squad doesn't really have the ability for that) but whoever it is they'll probably get turned upon in a few weeks/months and eventually forced out in September next year.

Cooper whilst being boring has a good CV and has yet to be sacked so if it's a genuine long term appointment then it's a positive one albeit boring. I would just love to have the same bloke for 2-3 years without him necessarily having to have taken us up and without half the fans turning on him after a few weeks when they realise we're not suddenly going to be amazing.

Me the same about a 2-3 year manager Wass. But to be fair to the club, the sacking of the last two managers was completely justified. Both men left the club with no option really. I thought we might get more of a kicking from the media re thr sacking of CH but all the coverage ive seen has been one of understanding he had to go, based on results.

Did anyone see that article the yesterday suggesting the colour of his skin was a factor in his sacking?

Whoever said that is 'reaching.'  Crass stuff.

When results and the football aren't good.  And fans are shouting dogs abuse the manager and board?  The inevitable happens.  

Do I think Hughton was poorly backed?  Yes.  Came in following some crap recruitment.  Poor timing.  Poor recruitment.  A lost opportunity.  We never got the best out of him.

He was attritional.  But Hughton didn't employ himself?  Why employ attritional managers?  Who's making those appointments.  The last handful of managers have been attritional?  

We'll see what the next appointment brings.  Dull ball, probably.

SA.

Unfortunately if cooper comes in and it looks like a done deal that is what we will get. 

We struggle in the attacking third, so we bring in a man who also struggled in the attacking third in his time at Swansea and was well down the pile in terms of stats on the attacking front too. 

It just doesn't add up to me. Hughton is an ultra defensive coach that could not stop us conceding or get us scoring. Cooper has a tough job on his hands here and other than being great with youngsters just do not get the attraction and what he brings to the table that the man we just sacked didnt. 

I am hoping to be proved wrong as I was with hughton but I fear this is an appointment that will end in disaster. I love humble pie, come May I'd love to be eating a slice.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Of all those on that list the one that saddened me the most when he got booted was Stuart Pearce. We should have stuck with him. We were respected whilst he was our leader. Now we're not.

Did some decent recruitment.  Club legend treated poorly.

THere's a few on that 'list' we should have stuck with to be fair.  Top 8 and ready to 'build' tore down and start again was what we got instead.

The one that really stung for me, was MoN.  Golden Generation.  Glittering career.  Knows what it takes.  6 months.  Geeze.  Why bother appointing him?  Or any of them.  If a year is all you're going to get.  And replaced him with 'Stale sterile Sabri' whose football was so dull and his post match so paint drying I'd stopped caring.  But hey, the club hierarchy must know what they're doing. They've sacked managers to rock bottom.

SA.

[Tricky]

I think in all our recent sackings (and there are a lot of them) this is honestly the least I've cared who gets appointed. I'd normally be following every article, checking the odds every 10 mins etc. Just feel really apathetic towards the team right now.

I'd rather someone that played a more attacking style (although our squad doesn't really have the ability for that) but whoever it is they'll probably get turned upon in a few weeks/months and eventually forced out in September next year.

Cooper whilst being boring has a good CV and has yet to be sacked so if it's a genuine long term appointment then it's a positive one albeit boring. I would just love to have the same bloke for 2-3 years without him necessarily having to have taken us up and without half the fans turning on him after a few weeks when they realise we're not suddenly going to be amazing.

Me the same about a 2-3 year manager Wass. But to be fair to the club, the sacking of the last two managers was completely justified. Both men left the club with no option really. I thought we might get more of a kicking from the media re thr sacking of CH but all the coverage ive seen has been one of understanding he had to go, based on results.

Did anyone see that article the yesterday suggesting the colour of his skin was a factor in his sacking?

I read that article Pap. It was in the Morning Star. A proper commie paper!!

[Strawberry Avenger]

I think in all our recent sackings (and there are a lot of them) this is honestly the least I've cared who gets appointed. I'd normally be following every article, checking the odds every 10 mins etc. Just feel really apathetic towards the team right now.

I'd rather someone that played a more attacking style (although our squad doesn't really have the ability for that) but whoever it is they'll probably get turned upon in a few weeks/months and eventually forced out in September next year.

Cooper whilst being boring has a good CV and has yet to be sacked so if it's a genuine long term appointment then it's a positive one albeit boring. I would just love to have the same bloke for 2-3 years without him necessarily having to have taken us up and without half the fans turning on him after a few weeks when they realise we're not suddenly going to be amazing.

Me the same about a 2-3 year manager Wass. But to be fair to the club, the sacking of the last two managers was completely justified. Both men left the club with no option really. I thought we might get more of a kicking from the media re thr sacking of CH but all the coverage ive seen has been one of understanding he had to go, based on results.

Did anyone see that article the yesterday suggesting the colour of his skin was a factor in his sacking?

Whoever said that is 'reaching.'  Crass stuff.

When results and the football aren't good.  And fans are shouting dogs abuse the manager and board?  The inevitable happens.  

Do I think Hughton was poorly backed?  Yes.  Came in following some crap recruitment.  Poor timing.  Poor recruitment.  A lost opportunity.  We never got the best out of him.

He was attritional.  But Hughton didn't employ himself?  Why employ attritional managers?  Who's making those appointments.  The last handful of managers have been attritional?  

We'll see what the next appointment brings.  Dull ball, probably.

SA.

Unfortunately if cooper comes in and it looks like a done deal that is what we will get. 

We struggle in the attacking third, so we bring in a man who also struggled in the attacking third in his time at Swansea and was well down the pile in terms of stats on the attacking front too. 

It just doesn't add up to me. Hughton is an ultra defensive coach that could not stop us conceding or get us scoring. Cooper has a tough job on his hands here and other than being great with youngsters just do not get the attraction and what he brings to the table that the man we just sacked didnt. 

I am hoping to be proved wrong as I was with hughton but I fear this is an appointment that will end in disaster. I love humble pie, come May I'd love to be eating a slice.

I broadly agree with your post.

Hughton was backed poorly.  I mean, it wasn't on him that we didn't start the season with fullbacks. That was somebody else's job? Or a lack of striker? And he is not the only manager who was.  But the timing of his appointment was shocking poor.  Why bring in someone make him wait a year for his 1st permanent outfield signing?

His hands were tied (regardless of the style of football which won a plenty at Brighton, Newcastle etc.).  And I don't see Hughton's stamp on the recruitment of this Summer.  The new model is one of 'coach.'  You know.  Why doesn't the CEO get in the dug out and do it himself then?  Or Mr. V?  Or Marinakis?  Because the 'upper management' who employ the 'failures' are failures themselves.  Spectacular ones when you consider the money wasted.  Myopically short sighted.

Under the current cycle of death and destruction, Brian Clough would have only got 1 year.  It's absurd. Our greatest blue print of success of the Forest Way is the Great Oak. And we have learned nothing from it after blowing £300 million? Good recruitment. Good football. Character 1st. Football 2nd. Robust. Can play a bit. This aint the Greek league. We don't need cardigan, chair and slipper players.

Coventry haven't got a penny to their name with one of the lowest budgets in the Championships. (One again, showing that having A plan and having patience to deliver it... What's that word? Consistency?)

New CEO.  New Plan.  New 'hasn't been promoted' boring guy who is 'good with youth.'  'Ok.'  We'll see what he can get done in 'a year.'

Because the track record of evidence says that's all he's got.

If he keeps Forest up, he'll deserve a gold star.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

I think in all our recent sackings (and there are a lot of them) this is honestly the least I've cared who gets appointed. I'd normally be following every article, checking the odds every 10 mins etc. Just feel really apathetic towards the team right now.

I'd rather someone that played a more attacking style (although our squad doesn't really have the ability for that) but whoever it is they'll probably get turned upon in a few weeks/months and eventually forced out in September next year.

Cooper whilst being boring has a good CV and has yet to be sacked so if it's a genuine long term appointment then it's a positive one albeit boring. I would just love to have the same bloke for 2-3 years without him necessarily having to have taken us up and without half the fans turning on him after a few weeks when they realise we're not suddenly going to be amazing.

Me the same about a 2-3 year manager Wass. But to be fair to the club, the sacking of the last two managers was completely justified. Both men left the club with no option really. I thought we might get more of a kicking from the media re thr sacking of CH but all the coverage ive seen has been one of understanding he had to go, based on results.

Did anyone see that article the yesterday suggesting the colour of his skin was a factor in his sacking?

I read that article Pap. It was in the Morning Star. A proper commie paper!!

Goddamn commies engineering *chimera viruses in their American funded labs... *(Allegedly.)

SA.

[Paplane]

I can't see CH's colour being anything to do with the decision. When that is a factor it is with recruitment and that is an issue across football I think. Also can't see how race plays any part in such a dreadful run of results and therefore the consequence of that. I know you're not suggesting race was a factor Pap but it's just sad that someone prints garbage like that.

Ive found it again.

[Long John]

Same as most others on here, just don’t know what to think anymore.

Reading about cooper is just like reading about CH. People are paid to make those decisions then so be it and will get my full backing.

But statements like never been sacked mean nothing when it comes to being forest manager.

[Uwantlee]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

[Plymouth red]

If we are looking at developing the younger talent in the squad then cooper's appountment makes sense. With the cat 1 status there will ne an expectation that more players move up to the first team and i'm not against that, particularly if we have a manager who can maximise youth potential.

I'm not going to moan at the club for having a long term plan - it will hopefully ensure the club lives within its means and stops with the turnover of players.

As long as there is no instant expectation that we should be challenging at the top but are actually prepared to build a team together then i'm happy.

[BadDog]

If he coaches the players and we actually look like we do training I'll take it.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Same as most others on here, just don’t know what to think anymore.

Reading about cooper is just like reading about CH. People are paid to make those decisions then so be it and will get my full backing.

But statements like never been sacked mean nothing when it comes to being forest manager.

What?  'The Curse?'

The stats say he'll get a year.  

There's no evidence that Forest fans or Hierarchy have the patience for more than that.  Especially if we hit a rough patch. 

Which kind of goes against the grain of going for a 'long term' manager like Steve Cooper because of young players, budgets etc.

(But his appointment does fit with doing it on the cheap?  There's no evidence this Summer that a manager will be substantially backed and we haven't put serious money down on a striker in years.)

If he's going to steady the ship until next Summer releases further substantial funds...get the remainder of the high wage earners off the wage turnover bill then maybe we'll be able to get a decent striker by next Summer.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

If we are looking at developing the younger talent in the squad then cooper's appountment makes sense. With the cat 1 status there will ne an expectation that more players move up to the first team and i'm not against that, particularly if we have a manager who can maximise youth potential.

I'm not going to moan at the club for having a long term plan - it will hopefully ensure the club lives within its means and stops with the turnover of players.

As long as there is no instant expectation that we should be challenging at the top but are actually prepared to build a team together then i'm happy.

Well, half our 25 man squad is from the Academy.

Having a long term plan and sticking with it are two different things.  And yes, Hope Springs Eternal.  (I think most fans can cope with cutting our cloth accordingly and living within our means and the stopping the random and raucous turnover of players.)

Expectation goes with the poison chalice.  There will be those who think we should be top 6 or that he should be getting more out the players (ie.  All the criticisms of Hughton will eventually make their way to Steve or Whoever.  Especially when the team hit a dry patch.)

Football today is about instant expectation.  People don't have the patience they used to have.  The Greed of the Premier has everybody chasing that pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow.

It took Clough 3 years to get out of this league?

It all sounds good. But I'll believe it when I see it. *(Points to track short-term-ism of the last 20 managers.)

SA.