Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager

[JollyLolly]

Murphy was at the City Ground yesterday! So not in the USA

[Paplane]

Tails saying there's no plans to sack him, brilliant

Tails speaking a lot of sense this morning in the comments of his article. For those who cant read it he says he doesnt think there's any immediate plans to sack him but EM might wake up tomorrow and decide to sack him.



"There was no hint last night that a change was immediately on the horizon.
But, ultimately, one man will have the final say and he could wake up tomorrow and decide it is time for something different.
Yesterday was just a case of Cardiff doing what they do and being very good at it.
Actually thought Forest handled it pretty well for long periods.
The issue is that it is about far more than one game at this point.
The worst start to a season in 108 years? That’s not the kind of stat that keeps managers in their jobs."

[Paplane]

Murphys also in America sorting his wedding out.. so can't see it happening soon

Can you get married via zoom & e-mail?

[Salvatore Matrecano]

So the rumour from the ground. Hughton won’t walk and his contract is worth £2.5M plus back room team makes it over £3M. To bring in a new guy plus their staff total cost is probably £5M which we can’t afford.

Paying managers off doesn't count towards FFP and the like does it?

I’m 99% sure it does count towards P&S unfortunately.

To clarify this point about the costs of replacing manager and whether it counts towards P&S.
P&S is based on adjusted earnings before tax

Form EFL:
1.1.2 Adjusted Earnings Before Tax means Earnings Before Tax adjusted to exclude costs (or estimated costs as the case may be) in respect of the following:

(a) depreciation and/or impairment of tangible fixed assets;

(b) amortisation or impairment of goodwill and other intangible assets (but excluding amortisation and/or impairment of the costs of players’ registrations);

© Women’s Football Expenditure;

(d) Youth Development Expenditure;

(e) Community Development Expenditure; and

(f) in respect of Seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 only, COVID-19 Costs.


So yes paying off managers, backroom teams and appointing a new one does count.
Warburton, Karanka , ONeill, Lamouchi, Hughton.
Plus all their backroom staff
We are paying for them all.

[Strawberry Avenger]

So the rumour from the ground. Hughton won’t walk and his contract is worth £2.5M plus back room team makes it over £3M. To bring in a new guy plus their staff total cost is probably £5M which we can’t afford.

Paying managers off doesn't count towards FFP and the like does it?

I’m 99% sure it does count towards P&S unfortunately.

To clarify this point about the costs of replacing manager and whether it counts towards P&S.
P&S is based on adjusted earnings before tax

Form EFL:
1.1.2  Adjusted Earnings Before Tax means Earnings Before Tax adjusted to exclude costs (or estimated costs as the case may be) in respect of the following:

(a)  depreciation and/or impairment of tangible fixed assets;

(b)  amortisation or impairment of goodwill and other intangible assets (but excluding amortisation and/or impairment of the costs of players’ registrations);

©  Women’s Football Expenditure;

(d)  Youth Development Expenditure;

(e)  Community Development Expenditure; and

(f)  in respect of Seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 only, COVID-19 Costs.


So yes paying off managers, backroom teams and appointing a new one does count.
Warburton, Karanka , ONeill, Lamouchi, Hughton.
Plus all their backroom staff
We are paying for them all.

Interesting.  Didn't know that.

Are we still paying for any previous managers?

SA.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Depends what settlements were reached.

At this point someone will inevitably leap in with “Ah yes but Karanka walked”

He didnt walk, his position was made untenable. If you think he didnt negotiate a substantial pay off you are pretty naive IMO. Same with ONeill.

P&S also of course depend on what year the settlements were made in and whether it was a lump sum or over a time period, none of us know any of that.

[Paplane]

So the rumour from the ground. Hughton won’t walk and his contract is worth £2.5M plus back room team makes it over £3M. To bring in a new guy plus their staff total cost is probably £5M which we can’t afford.

Paying managers off doesn't count towards FFP and the like does it?

I’m 99% sure it does count towards P&S unfortunately.

To clarify this point about the costs of replacing manager and whether it counts towards P&S.
P&S is based on adjusted earnings before tax

Form EFL:
1.1.2  Adjusted Earnings Before Tax means Earnings Before Tax adjusted to exclude costs (or estimated costs as the case may be) in respect of the following:

(a)  depreciation and/or impairment of tangible fixed assets;

(b)  amortisation or impairment of goodwill and other intangible assets (but excluding amortisation and/or impairment of the costs of players’ registrations);

©  Women’s Football Expenditure;

(d)  Youth Development Expenditure;

(e)  Community Development Expenditure; and

(f)  in respect of Seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 only, COVID-19 Costs.


So yes paying off managers, backroom teams and appointing a new one does count.
Warburton, Karanka , ONeill, Lamouchi, Hughton.
Plus all their backroom staff
We are paying for them all.

Don't buy a new striker for £2 or 3 mill and then as a consequence sack the manager & his team at a cost of £2 or 3 Mill. And the new manager then hasn't got a striker. Not easy, these decisions.

[wassy04]

So the rumour from the ground. Hughton won’t walk and his contract is worth £2.5M plus back room team makes it over £3M. To bring in a new guy plus their staff total cost is probably £5M which we can’t afford.

Paying managers off doesn't count towards FFP and the like does it?

I’m 99% sure it does count towards P&S unfortunately.

To clarify this point about the costs of replacing manager and whether it counts towards P&S.
P&S is based on adjusted earnings before tax

Form EFL:
1.1.2  Adjusted Earnings Before Tax means Earnings Before Tax adjusted to exclude costs (or estimated costs as the case may be) in respect of the following:

(a)  depreciation and/or impairment of tangible fixed assets;

(b)  amortisation or impairment of goodwill and other intangible assets (but excluding amortisation and/or impairment of the costs of players’ registrations);

©  Women’s Football Expenditure;

(d)  Youth Development Expenditure;

(e)  Community Development Expenditure; and

(f)  in respect of Seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 only, COVID-19 Costs.


So yes paying off managers, backroom teams and appointing a new one does count.
Warburton, Karanka , ONeill, Lamouchi, Hughton.
Plus all their backroom staff
We are paying for them all.

Don't buy a new striker for £2 or 3 mill and then as a consequence sack the manager & his team at a cost of £2 or 3 Mill. And the new manager then hasn't got a striker. Not easy, these decisions.

So I guess the question is will CH be able to keep us up with the help of a new striker in January and then replace him in the summer when his contract expires. Or get rid now and therefore we can no longer afford a striker. 

I get we've shown absolutely nothing to suggest CH can turn this around but I'm really unconvinced another manager will do loads better after perhaps a little bounce.

We've just not got a great team, not sure what people were expecting its broadly the same team as last year except we've lost Krov, Knockaert and Christie and replaced with Brennan, Zinck and one of our many right backs.

[Paplane]

Paying managers off doesn't count towards FFP and the like does it?

I’m 99% sure it does count towards P&S unfortunately.

To clarify this point about the costs of replacing manager and whether it counts towards P&S.
P&S is based on adjusted earnings before tax

Form EFL:
1.1.2  Adjusted Earnings Before Tax means Earnings Before Tax adjusted to exclude costs (or estimated costs as the case may be) in respect of the following:

(a)  depreciation and/or impairment of tangible fixed assets;

(b)  amortisation or impairment of goodwill and other intangible assets (but excluding amortisation and/or impairment of the costs of players’ registrations);

©  Women’s Football Expenditure;

(d)  Youth Development Expenditure;

(e)  Community Development Expenditure; and

(f)  in respect of Seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 only, COVID-19 Costs.


So yes paying off managers, backroom teams and appointing a new one does count.
Warburton, Karanka , ONeill, Lamouchi, Hughton.
Plus all their backroom staff
We are paying for them all.

Don't buy a new striker for £2 or 3 mill and then as a consequence sack the manager & his team at a cost of £2 or 3 Mill. And the new manager then hasn't got a striker. Not easy, these decisions.

So I guess the question is will CH be able to keep us up with the help of a new striker in January and then replace him in the summer when his contract expires. Or get rid now and therefore we can no longer afford a striker. 

I get we've shown absolutely nothing to suggest CH can turn this around but I'm really unconvinced another manager will do loads better after perhaps a little bounce.

We've just not got a great team, not sure what people were expecting its broadly the same team as last year except we've lost Krov, Knockaert and Christie and replaced with Brennan, Zinck and one of our many right backs.

Its a bit of a theoretical exercise and nonsense really from me as there's more to our current woes than the lack of a striker. But January is no time to buy a striker. If we couldn't find one in August that suits our budget then there's no way we're getting one in in January. My wish would be a modern day Adebola or Murphy. A striker whose best days are behind him but who's still effective from the bench, and who's not on silly money.

[GaribaldiRED]

I’m 99% sure it does count towards P&S unfortunately.

To clarify this point about the costs of replacing manager and whether it counts towards P&S.
P&S is based on adjusted earnings before tax

Form EFL:
1.1.2  Adjusted Earnings Before Tax means Earnings Before Tax adjusted to exclude costs (or estimated costs as the case may be) in respect of the following:

(a)  depreciation and/or impairment of tangible fixed assets;

(b)  amortisation or impairment of goodwill and other intangible assets (but excluding amortisation and/or impairment of the costs of players’ registrations);

©  Women’s Football Expenditure;

(d)  Youth Development Expenditure;

(e)  Community Development Expenditure; and

(f)  in respect of Seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 only, COVID-19 Costs.


So yes paying off managers, backroom teams and appointing a new one does count.
Warburton, Karanka , ONeill, Lamouchi, Hughton.
Plus all their backroom staff
We are paying for them all.

Don't buy a new striker for £2 or 3 mill and then as a consequence sack the manager & his team at a cost of £2 or 3 Mill. And the new manager then hasn't got a striker. Not easy, these decisions.

So I guess the question is will CH be able to keep us up with the help of a new striker in January and then replace him in the summer when his contract expires. Or get rid now and therefore we can no longer afford a striker. 

I get we've shown absolutely nothing to suggest CH can turn this around but I'm really unconvinced another manager will do loads better after perhaps a little bounce.

We've just not got a great team, not sure what people were expecting its broadly the same team as last year except we've lost Krov, Knockaert and Christie and replaced with Brennan, Zinck and one of our many right backs.

Its a bit of a theoretical exercise and nonsense really from me as there's more to our current woes than the lack of a striker. But January is no time to buy a striker. If we couldn't find one in August that suits our budget then there's no way we're getting one in in January. My wish would be a modern day Adebola or Murphy. A striker whose best days are behind him but who's still effective from the bench, and who's not on silly money.

The ML Soccer League end in November if I'm not mistaken so maybe DM has some potential targets from there. Barnsley loaned Daryl Dike in January.

[BadDog]

Murphys also in America sorting his wedding out.. so can't see it happening soon

Well he was there yesterday so unless he flew out last night he isn't.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Tails saying there's no plans to sack him, brilliant

I am not surprised to hear that to be honest. I am disappointed to hear it but not surprised.