Evangelos Marinakis And Co

[Redreg]

Big Mak needs too pull the trigger now !!!! He also needs to start negotiating these deals with a big bag of cash

[Alf]

There are certainly some comparisons based on achievements over a period of 4 years but I think that is where the comparisons end - you could apply that same filter to other previous owners also in terms of footballing success. However lets be clear

- No FFP embargos
- players wages - paid with more scrutiny on that now we would have likely received point deductions had it happened today
- No appointing a stuck off lawyer to act as CEO
- No appointing a former groundsman/light engineer as CEO
- No banning of media ( yes this was Billy D but approved by Fawaz )
- No Twitter`ing - to many examples  tragic comedy exchanges
- Creditability with EFL as Randal now part of the committee.
- Cat1 status
-  New ground plans close to sign off and significant investment to achieve
- Making money on some transfers
- No commissioned paintings of EM in the Clough era as if he was involved.
- Improvements to the commercial operations ( although the latest catering one is a negative so far )
- No interference into team selection
- No eye test issues
- Not arranging contracts on nights out with players
- 150th Anniversary shambles.
- Treatment of Frank Clark / Paul Faulkner
- Selling players and informing the press before the manager - JL/KD

The list could go on.

I know we are in a poor state currently with the squad and results and I get people are concerned but its not the sad story it was previously.

Certainly room for improvement, as with anything and that is currently what we want to see from the new leadership but it will take time to embed and remove our more recent mistakes from history ( e.g the Carvalho experiment and the madness of the last window ) and evolve our ethos in terms of transfers.

That's a very one sided post which fails to recognize the current regime's similar failings. Fazza's era didn't have.....

- A head of recruitment arrested on suspicion of extortion
- A boat load of other criminal allegations attached to the owner
- The constant sales of our best or academy players each year, with said money usually reinvested in dross
- Very little communication from the club for long periods of time
- Reject players from the owners other club bogging down the wage bill, whilst pinching/trying to pinch our better ones such as Silva & Ribero.

And Vrentroz very much tried to interfere with team selections according to DT. One of the reasons for the AK fallout as he would play Appiah.

I'm not gonna even entertain to mirror stuff like petty stuff like paintings, eye tests. You could say Fazza didn't fee us BS like affording managers "The Precious Commodity Of Time" but that's all fluff talk anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I think off the pitch EM is better than Fawaz by a decent margin. But let's not lose perspective of the realties of the situation. There have been issues to be concerned about.

There's plenty to be positive about to, but it's understandable that some fans have some concerns.

[Georgecloney]

Who can argue we are not going backwards and not just the six or seven weeks Murphy has been employed. Not sure what happened after football came back after the first lockdown but we have been dreadful since then.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

A couple of very serious allegations you make there Alf.

Glad it's your name attached to them and not mine :cool:

[Alf]

A couple of very serious allegations you make there Alf.

Glad it's your name attached to them and not mine :cool:

Why though? It's true that all those concerns exist. 

Do you value your relationship with your contacts at the club over the wanting the truth for the club and the community supporting it for the past several decades?

All I'm getting at with AC Vodka's post is that there's no balance to it. It's fine picking out every small thing he can about Fazza, but he's saying that like this era has been concern free. It hasn't.

Whether those concerns are valid or not is debatable, but they do and have existed. So simply saying "it's not as bad as Fazza" doesn't wash.

[Mcforest]

Wow we have a bad season and bad start and then this happens. I bet if we were winning people wouldn't be looking to play the blame game. Strange it is easier to through mud around without knowing the real ins and outs when things are tough than handing out praise when things are going well. Think this thread is one to just skip over.

[Uwantlee]

Well I hope EM reads that and he walks away.

In fact I will send it to him.

Some of our 'fans' really are gutter level to be polite.

Boo hoo sniff... someone challenges what the greeks have done and you thow your toys out. Bloody gutter level... one word against them and you start with the threats.... we're upset... hurting... and where is our glorious owner. I don't care who he has employed to work for him. It's his club its his responsibility. He needs to get his arse to Nottingham and get this sorted.

OK we are in a better state off the field than when fawaz was here but christ man you get a grip.

Seriously we are in more danger of relegation now than we ever were under fawaz and all of the off field stuff ain't gonna help us.

Emotions are running high with supporters having to sit and watch our club be in the position it is and all you can do is sulk and threaten to send it to him... do it. It might make him realise that he's gotta actually do something. Hiring and firing managers, watching us spunk money away and then changing tact leaving us in real danger.

Let me ask this question... if we do get relegated will EM be any better than fawaz then? We never got relegated under fawaz. Don't get me wrong I hated fawaz and don't want him back and I am desperate to see EM succeed as you are sniff but its time for him to deliver as we further away from the premiership than we have been for 14 years.

Cat 1, stadium plans (that's all they are at the moment) staffing changes all mean nothing when the club is in the state its in on the pitch.

Is EM the man to succeed and take us forward... I hope so. If this season carries on much longer in then waybit has then he will find a lot more fans questioning him... and we are within our rights to.

Apologies if I have offended here but I am fuming at the way the club is being run at present and I do not wish to upset.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Look pal I am fed up of one or two (that's all it is) coming onto this forum to slag off our owners and then to hide behind this forum.
Don't use this forum to hide behind.
You are entitled to your opinion and to slag our owners off that is your right but don't use this forum for your platform to do it and to hide behind.

If you have a problem with EM then take it to him directly not via this forum.
Get yourself down to the City Ground with your little flags and banners and start your protest in front of the cameras.
Grow some balls, front him up directly and stop taking the cowards way out by hiding behind this forum.
Do you have the balls to do that?

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

A couple of very serious allegations you make there Alf.

Glad it's your name attached to them and not mine :cool:

Why though? It's true that all those concerns exist. 

Do you value your relationship with your contacts at the club over the wanting the truth for the club and the community supporting it for the past several decades?

All I'm getting at with AC Vodka's post is that there's no balance to it. It's fine picking out every small thing he can about Fazza, but he's saying that like this era has been concern free. It hasn't.

Whether those concerns are valid or not is debatable, but they do and have existed. So simply saying "it's not as bad as Fazza" doesn't wash.

No comment :cool:

[Alf]

A couple of very serious allegations you make there Alf.

Glad it's your name attached to them and not mine :cool:

Why though? It's true that all those concerns exist. 

Do you value your relationship with your contacts at the club over the wanting the truth for the club and the community supporting it for the past several decades?

All I'm getting at with AC Vodka's post is that there's no balance to it. It's fine picking out every small thing he can about Fazza, but he's saying that like this era has been concern free. It hasn't.

Whether those concerns are valid or not is debatable, but they do and have existed. So simply saying "it's not as bad as Fazza" doesn't wash.

No comment :cool:

Lol. Billy! You're back!!  :heart: :D :heart:  :P

FWIW Sniff I'm glad you put over the positives that the current setup has done for us. I just try and keep the balance to that when things swing too far the other way, and loyal fans of several decades get painted as the bad guys for having concerns.

Those concerns may not even be valid, but they do exist and the line "But Fazza did worse!" as ACV essentially posted won't make them go away unfortunately.

[ac_vodka]

I was not saying things were perfect but it's not an absolute shit show and comparison to Fawaz is just unbelievable.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

A couple of very serious allegations you make there Alf.

Glad it's your name attached to them and not mine :cool:

Why though? It's true that all those concerns exist. 

Do you value your relationship with your contacts at the club over the wanting the truth for the club and the community supporting it for the past several decades?

All I'm getting at with AC Vodka's post is that there's no balance to it. It's fine picking out every small thing he can about Fazza, but he's saying that like this era has been concern free. It hasn't.

Whether those concerns are valid or not is debatable, but they do and have existed. So simply saying "it's not as bad as Fazza" doesn't wash.

No comment :cool:

Lol. Billy! You're back!!  :heart: :D :heart:  :P

FWIW Sniff I'm glad you put over the positives that the current setup has done for us. I just try and keep the balance to that when things swing too far the other way, and loyal fans of several decades get painted as the bad guys for having concerns.

Those concerns may not even be valid, but they do exist and the line "But Fazza did worse!" as ACV essentially posted won't make them go away unfortunately.

:D :D