Nottingham Forest - Bournemouth

[Username]

That was CH's fault.

How many games have we lost with Colback/Yates in the middle ????  90% of the games where those 2 start together ?

When Bournemouth went down to 10 men then Colback should have been straight off.  You do not play 2 CDM against 10 men.

All down to CH.........too negative.

But we were in the ascendancy and dominating in a good moment so we did not need to make changes.....

Benefit of hindsight suggests that wasn’t enough.

[Simon]

Think with a couple of quality additions we will be competitive this season.

We looked ok in spells yesterday with out creating much but that will come.

Bournemouth were a niggly team and could have been down to 10 much sooner if the ref had booked the player for pulling zinc (I think it was ) back by the neck in the first 10 mins. Few late tackles all over the pitch after that.

[Strawberry Avenger]

(Re: an opinion about Samba from the transfer thread.)

Excellent? When? 1st season. 'Maybe.' Samba was beaten at his near post. Left and right for the goals yesterday. He was beaten from the same spot vs Coventry. Twice. Good 1st season. How good your keeper is down to what he does as the last line of defence. Poor so far. A better keeper and Forest earn a couple of draws. De Vries was a far better keeper.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Think with a couple of quality additions we will be competitive this season.

We looked ok in spells yesterday with out creating much but that will come.

Bournemouth were a niggly team and could have been down to 10 much sooner if the ref had booked the player for pulling zinc (I think it was ) back by the neck in the first 10 mins. Few late tackles all over the pitch after that.

Quality additions at LB, Ball playing CM and a striker would make a strategic difference.  But we need more than that.

One of theirs strangled/grappled one of our players around the neck.  I think stuff like that should be a straight red and Bournemouth go down to ten men earlier.  I thought they were dirty.

SA.

[SSM]

Think with a couple of quality additions we will be competitive this season.

We looked ok in spells yesterday with out creating much but that will come.

Bournemouth were a niggly team and could have been down to 10 much sooner if the ref had booked the player for pulling zinc (I think it was ) back by the neck in the first 10 mins. Few late tackles all over the pitch after that.

I do agree.

I think if we can add a LB with an engine and turn of pace so he can get forward to support Mighten and then deliver quality from the touchline, that will be a big tick.  Mighten is excellent at driving inside, drawing 2/3 opposition players into him, if he had an outlet to drop it off to for a cross, it would be fabulous.

We then obviously need a #6 to get on the ball in our half and either drive forward with it, or play switches so we can spring counters effectively and prevent the opposition setting up.  Colback and Yates together mean the ball doesn't go forward into feet quick enough, it's so easy to defend against.

Then i'd love a #9 who can stretch defences.

Ultimately, we will be hindered by Hughton's over caution.  I think he could adapt and play Fornah alongside Yates, and we'd progress the ball more quickly and effectively than we do now.  But Hughton hasn't changed before and he wont now.

So a #3 and #6 are what we need to hope for to become competitive.  By competitive I don't mean a promotion side, just one who every game you think, 'we might win this'.  Right now it's very much the opposite.   We're currently playing a system that is focused on being defensively responsible with a RB who is not yet at the level defensively he needs to be (will he ever be?) and a RB at LB who has to alter his natural body position.  Then our 4th choice CB to boot.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Think with a couple of quality additions we will be competitive this season.

We looked ok in spells yesterday with out creating much but that will come.

Bournemouth were a niggly team and could have been down to 10 much sooner if the ref had booked the player for pulling zinc (I think it was ) back by the neck in the first 10 mins. Few late tackles all over the pitch after that.

I do agree.

I think if we can add a LB with an engine and turn of pace so he can get forward to support Mighten and then deliver quality from the touchline, that will be a big tick.  Mighten is excellent at driving inside, drawing 2/3 opposition players into him, if he had an outlet to drop it off to for a cross, it would be fabulous.

We then obviously need a #6 to get on the ball in our half and either drive forward with it, or play switches so we can spring counters effectively and prevent the opposition setting up.  Colback and Yates together mean the ball doesn't go forward into feet quick enough, it's so easy to defend against.

Then i'd love a #9 who can stretch defences.

Ultimately, we will be hindered by Hughton's over caution.  I think he could adapt and play Fornah alongside Yates, and we'd progress the ball more quickly and effectively than we do now.  But Hughton hasn't changed before and he wont now.

So a #3 and #6 are what we need to hope for to become competitive.  By competitive I don't mean a promotion side, just one who every game you think, 'we might win this'.  Right now it's very much the opposite.   We're currently playing a system that is focused on being defensively responsible with a RB who is not yet at the level defensively he needs to be (will he ever be?) and a RB at LB who has to alter his natural body position.  Then our 4th choice CB to boot.

I think we're pretty clear on what we need.  I'm sure Hughton and recruitment are.  But getting it in is costing points. LB. Ball playing CM, Striker. But it goes deeper. We need a more powerful winger. A CH. A commanding one. Probably another no.10 with a robust, niggly style that can unlock defences. I think our new CEO mentioned something about needing 9 in. We've got 3 in. So about another 6 players which matches what I've outlined already.

Whether people want to hang on that on Hughton is up to them.  He wasn't beaten at his near post on both sides.  Samba was.

You have to be cautious when you're short.  (Well, you don't have to be. But if we tried to be free flowing, I just think we'd get beaten by more because our defence is patched up and not up to it.). And Forest are.  Well short of the recruitment they need compounded by a defensive crisis.  Who's idea was it to let a LB (two of them go) and not replace for the start of the season?

As for the fullback positions.  Bournemouth creamed both fullbacks yesterday with the overlapping runners burning them for pace and skinning McKenna to boot...and then had the audacity to beat our 'excellent' keeper at his near post (both times, left and right.)

Who knew teams would target you when you field weakened positions.  C'mon, recruitment, get it done.

There is a case for playing Fornah alongside Yates.  At least until we bring in Garner.  (If ever.)

SA.

[SSM]

The first goal went across Samba to the back post.

Both goals were as a result of our full-backs getting beat in behind them, with totally free efforts on goal.

Same happened vs Coventry too for their equaliser.

Samba would like the 2nd goal yesterday back for sure, but maybe you should go stand in a goal with someone powerfully striking the ball with no man in-between and try and save it. If he stood tall at his near post and didn't go across goal and it went in across him, he'd still be criticised.

Not sure there's much understanding or empathy of how difficult it actually is to be a keeper at the top level, especially when the opposition's 4 goals thus far have all come from less than 10 yards away from the net.

[BadDog]

What gets me is our fans are so blinded by the fact a player comes from our youth set up. Gabriel should be nowhere near the first team and just simply isn't good enough for us.

[Strawberry Avenger]

The first goal went across Samba to the back post.

Both goals were as a result of our full-backs getting beat in behind them, with totally free efforts on goal.

Same happened vs Coventry too for their equaliser.

Samba would like the 2nd goal yesterday back for sure, but maybe you should go stand in a goal with someone powerfully striking the ball with no man in-between and try and save it.  If he stood tall at his near post and didn't go across goal and it went in across him, he'd still be criticised.

Not sure there's much understanding or empathy of how difficult it actually is to be a keeper at the top level, especially when the opposition's 4 goals thus far have all come from less than 10 yards away from the net.

There's been precious little empathy for former legends.

But maybe?  If's Samba's job. For which he is paid many thousands of pounds. A week. No maybe about fans turning up to have a go instead of Samba.  He was well beaten in goal.  Though he shouldn't have for either.  And he was well stuffed from the same position TWICE at Coventry.  Bang average.

You're right about the fullbacks being well beaten.  Utterly skinned 'in behind' and burned by overlapping pace.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

What gets me is our fans our so blinded by the fact a player comes from our youth set up. Gabriel should be nowhere near the first team and just simply isn't good enough for us.

I think our passion does blind us at times. You're probably right. He was well skinned. As were both fullbacks yesterday. They didn't get back. Defensive responsibilities. So close. So far. Bournemouth are seasons, seasons and Premierships ahead of Forest. Yet. They have one striker and pacey overlap that did for Forest.

Though recruitment should know better than to start the season without fullbacks that are competitive.

Your comment probably explains that he is available for the right fee to eg. Blackpool.  Or Sunderland.

Our LBs weren't up to it either and we let both go.  But where are the replacements?

It's costing points.

It was that way last season.  Why does it take a whole season of playing with soft fullbacks and a new season of doing the same for anyone to do something about it?  The one we brought in isn't even match fit. And people hammered Bong for the goal last week. But the new LB or recruitment avoid scrutiny.

Frustrating.

SA.

[TheGreenMan]

I know this post will prove very unpopular with the Hughton sympathisers and I never want my team to loose…..But I’d take a couple of more defeats if it means the end of Hughton. I saw absolutely no positives yesterday or at any time since he took over.

It’s Hughton’s fault we’re in the position we’re in no one else. He trains the players day in day out. He picks the team. He makes the substitution decisions. He decides on the(ultra defensive) tactics. His P45 can’t come soon enough!!

[TheGreenMan]

What gets me is our fans our so blinded by the fact a player comes from our youth set up. Gabriel should be nowhere near the first team and just simply isn't good enough for us.

Completely agree. The same with Yates!