Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager
My thoughts on Chris Hughton?

Done a good job of restoring 'some' level of confidence to a shattered squad following the 'later than planned' removal of last year's 'Coach.'

An inflight pre-season upped the volume of training because Forest weren't fit enough following a late 'pre-season' (*waves to Promise.)

Returns to the side of injury hit Worrall and Sow restored steel to Forest's performances with Hughton setting up the team to concede less (understandable given Forest were rock bottom following a 6 game losing streak and conceding goals easily with simple counter attacks and no hope of return.)

Incisive moves (rather than using a dart board or bingo cards) were used to bring in targeted reformation of Forest's toothless attack with Knocker for an injection of quality on the wings, a deep play maker in Garner and a link man no.10 in Krov'. All have had various degrees of success which have scored goals and put points on the board along with the target man, Murray who has played his part. Clearly 'defensive' minded Hughton has shrewdly assessed that Forest were lacking in goals and attack and made 4 attack minded signings. 5 if you include Cafu who was made permanent (himself, playing in an attacking role...)

Hughton has (despite the alternative view/universe of 'some fans') brought in youthful players into the mix. Garner and Mighten. Who have added some energy and promise to Forest's ability to turn defence into attack. Though we may not have Garner next year, Hughton is clear. If you're good enough? You must are old enough. He's flown the flag for the Academy with Worrall, Yates (two players every side needs, especially in the Championship) and carefully managed the introduction of young Mighten into the fray. He's also had the occasion to play and have a look at Smith.

The restoring of confidence has, understandably been a slow and patience progress with a 'late sub' and consistent team selection. The thorny issue of certain positions such as fullback (both LB and RB) receiving extensive criticism and constantly exploited by the opposition all season long has reared its head. Forest have gone from having a 'Player of the Season' RB to 'soft fullbacks' prone to defensive lapses, out of position and not provided assists or goals either. You can't help but feel Hughton, who likes his fullbacks to work with his wingers will be biding his time to address this issue. With 3 players rotated at LB. Clearly it's an issue for Hughton. And the team.

Attacking wise. The over use of Lolley and Grabban in the last two seasons (with both having little in the way of real competition) meant that their form not only collapsed but did so through injury. With both players suffering several injuries which inhibited their assists and goal tally. Freeman, a player with a pre-existing and ill-treated hernia problem hadn't been playing for the Blades for over a year. And? It showed. An inadequate recruit made prior to Hughton. Whilst Knocker? Added plenty of promise, some quality and even fewer assists and goals. But did point the way in terms of quality the Forest attacking line was missing if it had any dreams of being top 6.

Another area, so 'well' recruited was the CM area. With Arter, the Talismanic Sow (who helped Sabri's team to such lofty heights last season before his final injury torpedo'd any chance of Forest holding the top 6 place...), Colback And 'Fred' (to his friends...) all likely to keep their place ahead of the developing Yates, right? Wrong. Colback hadn't played in a year off a very nasty injury. Seemed unfit and clumsy, consistent with giving away free kicks. Clearly off the pace. Sow had a history of injuries to his knee which seemed to plague him. But his restoration to the side alongside young Yates did forge a very promising duo and adding much steel to that position in the team. Before? Injury took out Sow, again. And even Yates. It's the same for everyone. But fixture put paid to both of them, regardless. Fred. Also injured and used. Once. Or twice. And Arter? Injured. Alot. Only the 'will to win' Yates flew the flag there until Cafu, in part due to the injury crisis, was tried in his 'natural' position and proved to be something of a revelation vs The Swans. An incisive move for Garner, added a revelation to our DCM. A deep playing footballer! And both Cafu and Garner started to play some football(!) with? An actual link man in Krov' being part of this insightful little triangle of 'passers.' It restored attacking promise to Forest's side.

Up front? Lewis always did need managed, latterly with his longstanding injury issues from prior seasons along with 3 serious ones this season which have plagued him. Time catches up with all strikers. But Grabban always did take several chances to score the goals. And with parched service from the wings and half the season without an actual no.10, it only magnified this characteristic of our last season 20 goal man. Murray bought some time for Lewis to get fit. Tyler? Put away 'some' tidy goals but given as many chances as he has? Is it him not suited to the lone man striker role? A lack of service? Or perhaps he just isn't good enough? There is every chance of a shake up in the striking department this Summer, you feel.

Finally. The goal keeper. Samba's position isn't the only one that has made individual errors and lost goals and points. And the Championship is very unforgiving. Samba's good. But there are flaws to his game. The lack of 'fantastic' saves are conspicuous by their absence along with lapses in judgement. And they have been exposed with a lack of competition to push him for that no.1 jersey. I expect Hughton to bring competition in this area.

It's ironic when you're best player (of the 'half season') hasn't played a full set of games but still gets Player of the 'Season' compounded by the fact that he's a CH. But Worrall has been Captain. Leader. Quality. Collossal at CH. Also, at times caught trying to do the fullbacks job for them, left and right. We wanted the mouth watering partnership with Mckenna and for the most part, it's delivered. But will Hughton be able to hang onto Worrall with the Premiership vultures circling.

Hughton has added defensive steel to Forest in a back line that is occasionally prone to individual mistakes with question marks over the fullback area. The midfield feels half assembled with goals and assists difficult to come by, lacking pace, penetration and quality service to the front men. The needed for a more dynamic, pacey and incisive side with qualities beyond a lower mid-table finish are done to proven veteran, Hughton. He's got a massive job to do with 5 loans going back, 7 players out of contract and the demands for a higher position next season playing more 'attack minded' football worthy of top 6.

Hughton had admitted himself. He expected the side to finish higher. Many of the 15 draws could have been defeats? Or could they have been victories? If you don't score goals you don't win football games. That suggests this squad of players has gone as far as can following the catastrophic end to last season. Significant injections of quality are required in defence, midfield and up front.

I guess Hughton was being diplomatic. You get the league position you deserve. Mission accomplished for Hughton. Forest are safe from relegation. Stability. Not for the impatient 'some fans' who want it right now (despite all the evidence of a lack of preparation or mundane recruitment pointing to anything but a top 6 finish.

The hard part comes next. But we're well placed with 'outstanding' candidate Hughton who has saved and reforged teams like Brighton in the Championship and successfully led two compaigns with them near the top with the last one getting them promoted and retaining Premiership status.

SA.
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I don't get this 'stability' thing, stability as in the slide has halted theory? Or stability as in we couldn't really of finished much lower than we have or scored fewer goals? Stability as in the same set up every game with every absolute ounce of confidence that he wouldn't change anything resulting in any positive impact during the game .. except more stability maybe? All this stability talk is making me unstable, it's the sort of argument that justifies giving an alcoholic a tin of tenants super strength. Stability really is totally meaningless except to find out how quickly things further deteriorate and totally expose the stability myth. There is no momentum, little confidence, end of the line sinking feeling maybe but stability it's meaningless.
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And yet the imposing performances vs Swansea and QPR not to mention the resolute performances against Cardiff show that somebody knows what they're doing. Perhaps any incumbent needs to bring in strikers and wingers and CMs with goals in them to make a squad more 'usable' or to score 'more' goals.

If Forest are the 'alcoholic' with a manager problem (20 years and counting, I'd say there was a problem) then Hughton is rehab'. The changing managers 'some fans' are part of the problem.

The ridiculous dispatch of Martin O'Neill left me ill-equipped to face any 'romance' for Sabri's dull enterprise. Ironic then. 'Here we are.' With another 'Knows the Championship' with a good CV manager. Perhaps he'll be afforded more time than Martin? Maybe he'll make it until the end of the season? Perhaps he'll last until the pre-season. Maybe the football gods will give him the whole season? Maybe get to choose his own players? Or be given the elixir of time? (That I'm hoping for any of these things shows just how bad the patient has been over 20 years.)

Safety secured. Building a promotion winning side is the next step.

We'll see if any momentum, confidence and meaning are forthcoming. (But I can see the fresh roots of recovery. Others may see the apocalypse depending on how they read tea laves or drink their larger. We won't be going any further than lower mid-table without significant recruitment. I dare say that means jettisoning any lingering romance with Sabri's recruitment or Aitor hangovers).

For now? It can't be any worse than bottling the play offs or losing 6 games in a row or having no preseason or using a dart board for recruitment. And I'd be deluded if I thought this season was anything but repair following a dysfunctional Summer of 'fallacy.' For anyone who watches Quest/EFL, how many teams are playing this mythical sexy football? Of the few that are? They came from another universe of funding and consistency. (The latter being entirely alien to Forest as they've not been very stable in managers for the last... Too busy chasing' short term-ism.)

For the Summer to come? The breaking of the dawn.

I'd rather Forest do it how Brighton did it than Forest did it under Sabri.

SA.
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(29-04-2021, 05:24 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: And yet the imposing performances vs Swansea and QPR not to mention the resolute performances against Cardiff show that somebody knows what they're doing.  Perhaps any incumbent needs to bring in strikers and wingers and CMs with goals in them to make a squad more 'usable' or to score 'more' goals.

If Forest are the 'alcoholic' with a manager problem (20 years and counting, I'd say there was a problem) then Hughton is rehab'.  The changing managers 'some fans' are part of the problem. 

Safety secured.  Building a promotion winning side is the next step.

We'll see if any momentum, confidence and meaning are forthcoming.  (But I can see the fresh roots of recovery.  Others may see the apocalypse depending on how they read tea laves or drink their larger.  We won't be going any further than lower mid-table without significant recruitment.  I dare say that means jettisoning any lingering romance with Sabri's recruitment or Aitor hangovers).

For now?  It can't be any worse than bottling the play offs or losing 6 games in a row or having no preseason or using a dart board for recruitment.  And I'd be deluded if I thought this season was anything but repair following a dysfunctional Summer of 'fallacy.'  For anyone who watches Quest/EFL, how many teams are playing this mythical sexy football?  Of the few that are?  They came from another universe of funding and consistency.  (The latter being entirely alien to Forest as they've not been very stable in managers for the last...)

For the Summer to come?  The breaking of the dawn.

I'd rather Forest do it how Brighton did it than Forest did it under Sabri.

SA.

sorry SA it's good you feel glass half full, and yes things could be much worse, i guess ideally we go forward from now with the same manager and achieve accolades, but are we absolutely convinced this will happen, i think for me i'm convinced it won't happen and for whatever reasons i am bored of football generally, all managers seem to be about is getting good at running down the clock, and slowing the game down when it suits them, i see no other influence at all on the game at all sorry, i keep meaning to stop bothering to even think about this tedious garbage
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Football without differing opinions and fans is boring. The last year proved that.

There are still romance stories. I'm not a Blades fan, but I respect the job Wilder did there, afforded time with a patient owner.

Or, more grudgingly, Norwich. Who've been consistent and stuck with their man despite a '15th' place start in his 1st season, relegated, they broke with convention and kept their man. And they're promoted again. Credit to them.

Ironically, the elixir of the top teams success in this division seemed lost on Randall (who I generally respect.). But he said Hughton is 'outstanding' and it 'seems' like they're going to back him for the forthcoming season. I pray to the football gods every night that this may be so.

And well they might. Lest the madness continue.

Amazing what a bit of 'stability' will do for a club like Norwich? Or Brentford? Or Swansea? I'll discount Watford. They've sacked more managers than us? *Fact checkers, off you go.

How many clubs in the bottom 8 are playing sexy football whilst fighting for their lives?

Tedious Garbage. It is without the fans. And lots in the game are corrupted by the money. Players who couldn't take a good talking too from Martin or would have melted like snowflakes in the presence of grand master Brian Clough.

The 'fake chanting/crowd' noise playing. Makes my stomach churn. As do the empty seats making the 'experience' hollow.

But credit Yates for being positive. Worrall for saying he'd like Derby to go down but he'd rather they didn't so he can whup them. Or for Hughton saying they'll give it 100% against the Owls because the integrity of the division is paramount.

I recall some flaky team selections when Forest were in relegation trouble that 'hand of god' season from one team in the Championship.

Hughton has made it clear. He wants the two wins. Try to finish mid-table. Preparation for next season started long ago. His mid is clearly made up.

SA.
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(29-04-2021, 05:45 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote:
(29-04-2021, 05:24 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: And yet the imposing performances vs Swansea and QPR not to mention the resolute performances against Cardiff show that somebody knows what they're doing.  Perhaps any incumbent needs to bring in strikers and wingers and CMs with goals in them to make a squad more 'usable' or to score 'more' goals.

If Forest are the 'alcoholic' with a manager problem (20 years and counting, I'd say there was a problem) then Hughton is rehab'.  The changing managers 'some fans' are part of the problem. 

Safety secured.  Building a promotion winning side is the next step.

We'll see if any momentum, confidence and meaning are forthcoming.  (But I can see the fresh roots of recovery.  Others may see the apocalypse depending on how they read tea laves or drink their larger.  We won't be going any further than lower mid-table without significant recruitment.  I dare say that means jettisoning any lingering romance with Sabri's recruitment or Aitor hangovers).

For now?  It can't be any worse than bottling the play offs or losing 6 games in a row or having no preseason or using a dart board for recruitment.  And I'd be deluded if I thought this season was anything but repair following a dysfunctional Summer of 'fallacy.'  For anyone who watches Quest/EFL, how many teams are playing this mythical sexy football?  Of the few that are?  They came from another universe of funding and consistency.  (The latter being entirely alien to Forest as they've not been very stable in managers for the last...)

For the Summer to come?  The breaking of the dawn.

I'd rather Forest do it how Brighton did it than Forest did it under Sabri.

SA.

sorry SA it's good you feel glass half full, and yes things could be much worse, i guess ideally we go forward from now with the same manager and achieve accolades, but are we absolutely convinced this will happen, i think for me i'm convinced it won't happen and for whatever reasons i am bored of football generally, all managers seem to be about is getting good at running down the clock, and slowing the game down when it suits them, i see no other influence at all on the game at all sorry, i keep meaning to stop bothering to even think about this tedious garbage

If you think they have no influence then why do you care who is in charge?

Also, stability is about allowing a guy time to get his style and methods across and also for him to learn the strengths and weaknesses of his players through the time spent in training and during games. You cant get this without time, that's all there is to it. It's a simple concept.

I dont know either way whether CH will work out but I don't believe we can be successful without providing this time to someone and I'd rather not start the clock again personally
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(29-04-2021, 05:45 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote:
(29-04-2021, 05:24 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: And yet the imposing performances vs Swansea and QPR not to mention the resolute performances against Cardiff show that somebody knows what they're doing.  Perhaps any incumbent needs to bring in strikers and wingers and CMs with goals in them to make a squad more 'usable' or to score 'more' goals.

If Forest are the 'alcoholic' with a manager problem (20 years and counting, I'd say there was a problem) then Hughton is rehab'.  The changing managers 'some fans' are part of the problem. 

Safety secured.  Building a promotion winning side is the next step.

We'll see if any momentum, confidence and meaning are forthcoming.  (But I can see the fresh roots of recovery.  Others may see the apocalypse depending on how they read tea laves or drink their larger.  We won't be going any further than lower mid-table without significant recruitment.  I dare say that means jettisoning any lingering romance with Sabri's recruitment or Aitor hangovers).

For now?  It can't be any worse than bottling the play offs or losing 6 games in a row or having no preseason or using a dart board for recruitment.  And I'd be deluded if I thought this season was anything but repair following a dysfunctional Summer of 'fallacy.'  For anyone who watches Quest/EFL, how many teams are playing this mythical sexy football?  Of the few that are?  They came from another universe of funding and consistency.  (The latter being entirely alien to Forest as they've not been very stable in managers for the last...)

For the Summer to come?  The breaking of the dawn.

I'd rather Forest do it how Brighton did it than Forest did it under Sabri.

SA.

sorry SA it's good you feel glass half full, and yes things could be much worse, i guess ideally we go forward from now with the same manager and achieve accolades, but are we absolutely convinced this will happen, i think for me i'm convinced it won't happen and for whatever reasons i am bored of football generally, all managers seem to be about is getting good at running down the clock, and slowing the game down when it suits them, i see no other influence at all on the game at all sorry, i keep meaning to stop bothering to even think about this tedious garbage

I get where you’re coming from, I think. We were in lockdown, it was rubbish, but football re-opened and was supposed to give us something to cheer. But it continued its decline into ‘game management’ and players diving at every opportunity. There’s been loads of death, loss of freedom and the players are given a privileged opportunity to entertain us but they play their stupid games instead of acting like men.

And to top it off our manager serves up utter gruel, match after match after match. I know he’s just targeting results, but it’s like a personal insult as a fan, saying I don’t care what I make you watch, even now, when people need some cheer more than ever.
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Build from the back-established. Hard work and guile in midfield- developing. Dynamic and clinical forwards- inadequate.

Work to be done- an experienced talented manager needed and in place.

2022- forest promoted. It has to happen one day!
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(29-04-2021, 09:24 PM)stirred Wrote:
(29-04-2021, 05:45 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote:
(29-04-2021, 05:24 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: And yet the imposing performances vs Swansea and QPR not to mention the resolute performances against Cardiff show that somebody knows what they're doing.  Perhaps any incumbent needs to bring in strikers and wingers and CMs with goals in them to make a squad more 'usable' or to score 'more' goals.

If Forest are the 'alcoholic' with a manager problem (20 years and counting, I'd say there was a problem) then Hughton is rehab'.  The changing managers 'some fans' are part of the problem. 

Safety secured.  Building a promotion winning side is the next step.

We'll see if any momentum, confidence and meaning are forthcoming.  (But I can see the fresh roots of recovery.  Others may see the apocalypse depending on how they read tea laves or drink their larger.  We won't be going any further than lower mid-table without significant recruitment.  I dare say that means jettisoning any lingering romance with Sabri's recruitment or Aitor hangovers).

For now?  It can't be any worse than bottling the play offs or losing 6 games in a row or having no preseason or using a dart board for recruitment.  And I'd be deluded if I thought this season was anything but repair following a dysfunctional Summer of 'fallacy.'  For anyone who watches Quest/EFL, how many teams are playing this mythical sexy football?  Of the few that are?  They came from another universe of funding and consistency.  (The latter being entirely alien to Forest as they've not been very stable in managers for the last...)

For the Summer to come?  The breaking of the dawn.

I'd rather Forest do it how Brighton did it than Forest did it under Sabri.

SA.

sorry SA it's good you feel glass half full, and yes things could be much worse, i guess ideally we go forward from now with the same manager and achieve accolades, but are we absolutely convinced this will happen, i think for me i'm convinced it won't happen and for whatever reasons i am bored of football generally, all managers seem to be about is getting good at running down the clock, and slowing the game down when it suits them, i see no other influence at all on the game at all sorry, i keep meaning to stop bothering to even think about this tedious garbage

I get where you’re coming from, I think. We were in lockdown, it was rubbish, but football re-opened and was supposed to give us something to cheer. But it continued its decline into ‘game management’ and players diving at every opportunity. There’s been loads of death, loss of freedom and the players are given a privileged opportunity to entertain us but they play their stupid games instead of acting like men.

And to top it off our manager serves up utter gruel, match after match after match. I know he’s just targeting results, but it’s like a personal insult as a fan, saying I don’t care what I make you watch, even now, when people need some cheer more than ever.

Maybe you guys aren't watching other teams matches but this is exactly the same style of football that most teams are playing. Everyone is tired and it's been a tough season, its not a normal season.
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(30-04-2021, 09:14 AM)wassy04 Wrote:
(29-04-2021, 09:24 PM)stirred Wrote:
(29-04-2021, 05:45 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote:
(29-04-2021, 05:24 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: And yet the imposing performances vs Swansea and QPR not to mention the resolute performances against Cardiff show that somebody knows what they're doing.  Perhaps any incumbent needs to bring in strikers and wingers and CMs with goals in them to make a squad more 'usable' or to score 'more' goals.

If Forest are the 'alcoholic' with a manager problem (20 years and counting, I'd say there was a problem) then Hughton is rehab'.  The changing managers 'some fans' are part of the problem. 

Safety secured.  Building a promotion winning side is the next step.

We'll see if any momentum, confidence and meaning are forthcoming.  (But I can see the fresh roots of recovery.  Others may see the apocalypse depending on how they read tea laves or drink their larger.  We won't be going any further than lower mid-table without significant recruitment.  I dare say that means jettisoning any lingering romance with Sabri's recruitment or Aitor hangovers).

For now?  It can't be any worse than bottling the play offs or losing 6 games in a row or having no preseason or using a dart board for recruitment.  And I'd be deluded if I thought this season was anything but repair following a dysfunctional Summer of 'fallacy.'  For anyone who watches Quest/EFL, how many teams are playing this mythical sexy football?  Of the few that are?  They came from another universe of funding and consistency.  (The latter being entirely alien to Forest as they've not been very stable in managers for the last...)

For the Summer to come?  The breaking of the dawn.

I'd rather Forest do it how Brighton did it than Forest did it under Sabri.

SA.

sorry SA it's good you feel glass half full, and yes things could be much worse, i guess ideally we go forward from now with the same manager and achieve accolades, but are we absolutely convinced this will happen, i think for me i'm convinced it won't happen and for whatever reasons i am bored of football generally, all managers seem to be about is getting good at running down the clock, and slowing the game down when it suits them, i see no other influence at all on the game at all sorry, i keep meaning to stop bothering to even think about this tedious garbage

I get where you’re coming from, I think. We were in lockdown, it was rubbish, but football re-opened and was supposed to give us something to cheer. But it continued its decline into ‘game management’ and players diving at every opportunity. There’s been loads of death, loss of freedom and the players are given a privileged opportunity to entertain us but they play their stupid games instead of acting like men.

And to top it off our manager serves up utter gruel, match after match after match. I know he’s just targeting results, but it’s like a personal insult as a fan, saying I don’t care what I make you watch, even now, when people need some cheer more than ever.

Maybe you guys aren't watching other teams matches but this is exactly the same style of football that most teams are playing. Everyone is tired and it's been a tough season, its not a normal season.

Exactly

There was little or no pre season which was followed by games every three or four days, with the only respite coming at International breaks
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(30-04-2021, 09:14 AM)wassy04 Wrote: Maybe you guys aren't watching other teams matches but this is exactly the same style of football that most teams are playing. Everyone is tired and it's been a tough season, its not a normal season.

Ive watched enough of the top 6 to know that how we currently play isnt going to get us there next season and we need a very different approach, one that will not simply be solved by buying a new striker. I dont agree the top teams are playing the same way.

Not having a go at you and as you know I want Hughton to stay. On top of which I accept that 4 out of 6 of those teams have PL payments, there is tiredness as a factor too. Just saying that this summer we need to change our style as much as an overhaul in the squad, with Hughton I think we get a slow evolution, want a radical fix then may need someone else to do it.
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(30-04-2021, 10:04 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:
(30-04-2021, 09:14 AM)wassy04 Wrote: Maybe you guys aren't watching other teams matches but this is exactly the same style of football that most teams are playing. Everyone is tired and it's been a tough season, its not a normal season.

Ive watched enough of the top 6 to know that how we currently play isnt going to get us there next season and we need a very different approach, one that will not simply be solved by buying a new striker. I dont agree the top teams are playing the same way.

Not having a go at you and as you know I want Hughton to stay. On top of which I accept that 4 out of 6 of those teams have PL payments, there is tiredness as a factor too. Just saying that this summer we need to change our style as much as an overhaul in the squad, with Hughton I think we get a slow evolution, want a radical fix then may need someone else to do it.

Not sure its fair to compare to the teams with a much bigger budget who are winning every game. I was comparing to the other 16-17 teams that look just like us. We don't have a good enough team to play like Watford or Norwich or Bournemouth.

I also think if you're winning your style will look better. Much easier to be attacking when you're winning games. I don't think we're a striker away from being good, that's the opposite I think we have a very average team. We do need a striker though! A decent striker, so more wins and our style will look more positive.
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