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(18-03-2021, 11:03 AM)Reds73 Wrote: The real issue here is not Hughton, it’s the huge mis-management at boardroom level of player recruitment.
Almost 4 yrs since Marinakis took control.
Off the pitch things have improved.
On the pitch however it’s a shambles, we have signed 80 players and have no continuity. Every summer it’s a re-build job.
How do you sign 80 players and end up with 3 strikers at 37, 33 and 30 ?
We’ve got 4 left backs, of which none are good enough to get you into the top 6 that will be costing us 40-50k a week.
We’ve got Arter, Bachirou, Sow and a Colback who are surplus to requirements - they are costing us around 60k a week.
Our 13m record signing is pulling up no trees in the second tier of Spanish football.
This is the real issue at NFFC not over how good or not Hughton is
literally just put on the other thread- how can we expect the players to be a unified bunch when the club as a whole seems disjointed and lacking an ethos or identity?
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It wasn't a shambles this time 12 months ago. We were all rubbing our hands together at the prospect of being promoted. EM the players and Sabri were all being lauded.
Some short memories on here.
Granted things don't look good right now but it can all change around again very quickly.
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(18-03-2021, 11:07 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: It wasn't a shambles this time 12 months ago. We were all rubbing our hands together at the prospect of being promoted. EM the players and Sabri were all being lauded.
Some short memories on here.
Granted things don't look good right now but it can all change around again very quickly.
Disagree Sniff.
The only way this regime will get you promoted is if they get lucky 1 year.
It won’t be though planning, as you can quite clearly see by the number of managers and players and the different style of managers that there is no coherent plan.
How long does EM keep throwing his money at this for zero return ?
Will he still be the opener in 3 yrs if we’re still in this League ?
The only clear strategy in the 4 yrs is to sell a crown jewel every year and then sign players nowhere near good enough.
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Im with R73.
We overachieved last year, ended up falling a bit short but we were more optimistic that we would build on what Sabri achieved for the season ahead. Instead we threw it all away in a clusterxxxx of a summer and here we are.
See comments in the other thread from David Johnson, he is spot on with what needs to happen if we are going to change the outcomes of the last 22 seasons.
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(18-03-2021, 11:19 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Im with R73.
We overachieved last year, ended up falling a bit short but we were more optimistic that we would build on what Sabri achieved for the season ahead. Instead we threw it all away in a clusterxxxx of a summer and here we are.
See comments in the other thread from David Johnson, he is spot on with what needs to happen if we are going to change the outcomes of the last 22 seasons.
I think the penny is starting to drop now that we did overachieve last year and therefore needed to improve the squad to actually be in the same position.
Just a shame the summer business seems to have gone so badly. Lots of players signed that seemed to be in the same two positions (left back and centre mid), yet neither position you'd be confident we have anyone good enough in.
I always felt the volume of signings was necessary last summer, due to the combination of important players leaving and the fact we overachieved and the poor previous windows. However looks like once again it didn't go well and we're now stuck with Arter, Fred, Ioannou, Colback, Blackett, Taylor, Soh on contracts and none currently look good enough to compete or appear to not be rated by the manager. I guess this happens when you change manager after making so many signings.
Regardless of CH not looking amazing, we have to just stick with him, give him a full season with a full window to have got the squad with players he actually wants. The football is boring but it's our best chance of success. As Reds73 said, our best chance is one lucky season so to make that happen having the same bloke in charge would really make that more possible.
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I don't think it's correct or fair to blame EM when things go wrong and then to say that if/when we get promoted it will just be beacuse of luck. That's not right.
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We will continue to throw mud at the wall in the vain hope that some of it might stick.
That’s luck I’m afraid.
If I thought for a second that this year’s planning might include an ounce of long term strategy I might get a tad interested - sadly I’m not holding my breath.
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We can't have it all ways...
If we get promoted by luck then we are having bad luck now.
If we want to blame EM now when things are not going well then we should applaud him if/when we get promoted.
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(18-03-2021, 11:57 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: I don't think it's correct or fair to blame EM when things go wrong and then to say that if/when we get promoted it will just be beacuse of luck. That's not right.
No, taken out of context that does make it sound worse. I think he was meaning we'd need to overachieve one season to get promoted with the current strategy as opposed to gradually improve over a period of time so that when we did go up it was less of an overachievement.
It's not like loads of other teams without parachute payments are getting close though. Only really Brentford that have managed to employ a consistent long term strategy without the help of parachute payments.
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(18-03-2021, 12:05 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (18-03-2021, 11:57 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: I don't think it's correct or fair to blame EM when things go wrong and then to say that if/when we get promoted it will just be beacuse of luck. That's not right.
No, taken out of context that does make it sound worse. I think he was meaning we'd need to overachieve one season to get promoted with the current strategy as opposed to gradually improve over a period of time so that when we did go up it was less of an overachievement.
It's not like loads of other teams without parachute payments are getting close though. Only really Brentford that have managed to employ a consistent long term strategy without the help of parachute payments.
Sheffield united went up without them, Burnley the first time, Reading & Barnsley are currently in the play off without them, Brentford this season & last, Derby the year before that, Huddersfield when they went up a few year ago, it's not as rare as the excuses make it sound.
People focus on parachute payments way to much as a convenient excuse, I don't like the system as it stands & would like to see it restructured (anyone calling for the complete end of parachute payments is batshit mental), but it' there for a reason, & yes, the additional revenue helps, but the additional cosst that's there to cover hinders, so it's not all straightforward, which is why we've seen some parachute payment teams bounce back up, some non-parachute payment teams capable of competing, some parachute payment teams struggle & some non-parachute payment teams unable to compete either.
As the saying goes, it's not what you've got, it's how you use it.
We have more & better resources than some of the teams above us, that's because they are getting it right, & we've been getting it wrong, & there are teams below us where the opposite is also true.
We are what we are & we have to find a way of making that work.
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(18-03-2021, 12:05 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (18-03-2021, 11:57 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: I don't think it's correct or fair to blame EM when things go wrong and then to say that if/when we get promoted it will just be beacuse of luck. That's not right.
No, taken out of context that does make it sound worse. I think he was meaning we'd need to overachieve one season to get promoted with the current strategy as opposed to gradually improve over a period of time so that when we did go up it was less of an overachievement.
It's not like loads of other teams without parachute payments are getting close though. Only really Brentford that have managed to employ a consistent long term strategy without the help of parachute payments.
A good coach can get a non parachute club out of the division. Bielsa, Wagner, Warnock, Wilder have all got promotions based on good coaching rather than the club having some kind of genius strategy, or doing a Wolves and buying a promotion. Brentford have a strategy but I remind everyone that they are currently 4th, so not nailed on for promotion this season either. Houghton can do it with us. Almost certainly not next season but maybe the one after. We just have to give him the time and the way people are over reacting on here this morning that's never going to happen.
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I hope it works out for Marinakis
What I will say is all the managers he has recruited have all had the highest of integrity and devotion and commitment to the job, but if this is so, it raises huge questions about the way they have been treated
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