Karim Ansarifard
#85
Paul Taylor ~ "Lots of rumours kicking around about work permit delays with regard to Karim Ansarifard... but told there is no issue there. Suspect the only thing delaying his arrival at #nffc is the fact that he is away with Iran in Uzbekistan."
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#86
The lad played 64 minutes tonight in Iran’s 1-0 win. Didn’t add to his international goal tally before being subbed.
Everyone is entitled to my opinion - COYR  :)
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#87
(31-08-2018, 11:41 AM)the jock Wrote: Why sell brereton for this guy.

Because we're 6M better off and Brereton was crap last season.
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#88
(12-09-2018, 08:18 AM)woody Wrote:
(31-08-2018, 11:41 AM)the jock Wrote: Why sell brereton for this guy.

Because we're 6M better off and Brereton was crap last season.

A bit harsh that Woody.
COYR!
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#89
But true...
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#90
(12-09-2018, 10:08 AM)ThePromisedLand Wrote: But true...

Nah, nobody spends £6m on someone who was "crap"

He might not have been a "Harry Kane" but then neither was Harry Kane at 19.
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#91
We will see - but the comment ‘was crap last season’ is certainly true.
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#92
And I respect your opinion NG3. Personally I was disappointed not to hold on to him - but he was poor last season & was unlikely to contribute this season.

PS he is some way from being the best of his age ( imho of course )
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#93
Inconsistent, inexperienced and being asked to do a difficult job in an underperforming team - yes. Just 'crap' - no.

Anyway, wonder when we'll see Ansarifard announced? Presumably he'll be en route to the UK now that Iran's friendly is done.
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#94
(12-09-2018, 11:32 AM)NG3 Wrote:
(12-09-2018, 08:33 AM)Duncan Mckenzie Wrote:
(12-09-2018, 08:18 AM)woody Wrote:
(31-08-2018, 11:41 AM)the jock Wrote: Why sell brereton for this guy.

Because we're 6M better off and Brereton was crap last season.

A bit harsh that Woody.

A bit harsh & frankly quite silly in my opinion.

Our academy, in recent years, has produced, or helped to produce, Darlow, Lascelles, Osborn, Walker, Burke, Smith, Worrall, Cash, & Brereton (with others like Yates & Appiah about to flower).

Without the contribution of those players we could be league one now.

Without the sales of Darlow, Lascelles, Burke & Brereton we would not have, or not had Antonio, Assombalonga, Carvalho, or Grabben, & consequently without the contribution of those players we could be league one now.

Our academy has basically rescued the senior team, & kept the club afloat during that period.

Our academy is invaluable, which is why Marianakis is about to spend literally millions of pounds on it.

If we're saying these players are "crap" then we might as well close the academy down, because you're then setting ridiculous standards that no youth players could hope to attain, & it would be insanity to close that academy down.

I don't know what standards some are expecting, but if international representation & being the best of your age group, in your country is "crap" then the standards they are expecting are unreasonable & just setting up every future academy graduate for failure.


(12-09-2018, 11:21 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: Inconsistent, inexperienced and being asked to do a difficult job in an underperforming team - yes. Just 'crap' - no.

A much fairer appraisal.

(12-09-2018, 11:21 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: Anyway, wonder when we'll see Ansarifard announced? Presumably he'll be en route to the UK now that Iran's friendly is done.

Yes, this is Ansarifard's thread, let's get it back on him instead of digs at ex-academy graduates.

Did anyone see the Iran match?

I'd be interested in Ansarifard's current match fitness & sharpness

:cool:

Fair comments.

Brereton.  I would have liked to seen him perform in a better quality team.  He did well in a 'relegation' threatened team last time around.  He wasn't the only Academy product performing under duress.  Smith.  Worrall.  etc.  But he's gone.  That's all folks.

The Academy output has probably saved Forest from League 1 or worse football.  If we add up all the money the Academy products has brought in?  £8 million for Dawson/Reid?  £10 million for Darlow and Lascelles?  £13 million for Burke.  £7.5 million for Brereton.  Almost £40 million (figures I was pulling out the fuzzy back of my mind...)

The Academy has paid for itself.  Times fold.  We can forgive Brazil and Jack's mistep with Clough and Aribi.  

As for the new incumbents.  Marinakos' has been quite cute.  £10 million (?) worth of talent brought in through the 'side door' costing Forest 'nothing.'  4 more signings from the emergency RB to two CM enforcers and playmakers and a striker.

Plenty of competition now in the midfield engine.  A place where games are won and lost.

The problem is the players we're searching and reaching for are a high level but often 'not fit' because not good enough for the 1st teams of the higher level.  So getting them up to speed and injury free are issues that should flatten out over time.  And, not my 'ten games' and thou shalt be judged kind of time.

I fully expect Marinakos to embrace Forest's world wide brand, invest in the Academy (it's had a great return on investment so far!) and make Forest competitive in time.  All the signs are there off and on the pitch following an unprecedented investment in players in modern Forest era.

When...(!) it clicks...it will be rocket time.

Just got to stick with the 'plan' for two to three years.  

SA.

£8.5 million off the £22-25 million spent? (For Bre' and Mackay...)

Has allowed 'just' £13-£15 million spent on a complete squad overhaul of 26-27 players in two windows!

Sometimes you need to 'Shake the bag' as Billy used to say...

SA.
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#95
Come on Jock, thats a bit extreme isnt it? And Im not taking digs at academy players either. However, in my opinion last season, Brereton was pretty dire. Almost every attack was breaking down when the ball got to him. No one was asking him to do anything a proffessional footballer shouldnt be able to do. But when he was unable to control the ball or hold it up for a short while, then one really has to ask questions about his potential. To get offered 6M for him in my book was one we couldnt turn down and as people have pointed out, it seems he wanted out also. Now we have a good changing room apparently and it only take one bad apple to bring it down. So, all in all, his desire to leave and a very generous offer would seem to make it a good sell in my book.

Once again with the imminent signing of Ansarifard, we look to have improved on what we had. SO when we actually have 6M coming our way also it look to have been a very good piece of business.

SA, thats the point. The academy will serve two purposes I hope. To prioduce and to help balance the books.

It HAS to provide good young talent, no point in its exitance otherwise. But fans have to accept that for a club our size and with the rules of FFP having to be observed, we will have to sell sometimes. We have to wheel and deal because we simply dont have the income to constantly throw caution to the wind and buy, buy, buy.

Had Brereton shown a good attitude and developed in any way, Im absolutely sure he would be still with us right now and with a long term contract offer under his nose.
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#96
Karanka should be very grateful to Ben Brereton.

Brereton had the balls to step up and take that penalty in the last minute against Ipswich which ended a six and a half game goal drought.

If that goal drought had gone to seven games I think Karanka would have been gone.

Marinakis had his finger on the trigger.

Brereton saved his job.
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