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(15-05-2024, 05:36 PM)Username Wrote: ^agreed
Anyone advocating Toton should look at the Brighton match day experience, it’s an utter S**t show logistically and the only way to get a pint is to be in the ground for overpriced flat beer.
The atmosphere at these newer larger grounds is not the same. I am sure WHam fans 30,000 at upton park had a better atmosphere than the London Stadium and the same with City fans comparing the Etihad with Maine Road but i am sure they would equally not turn the clock back and those stadiums were not even designed for football. I went to Tottenham this season and thought the stadium was superb. Those clubs moved or built new stadiums to increase their revenues, partly by monopolising all the match day hospitality in the area. The question is do we want to do that and become a force in the premier league or remain a middling club flitting between premier league and championship at best. Maranakis is ambitious he doesn’t want the latter and most supporters don’t. The potential is there and he is prepared to invest to achieve it. The future is multi use stadiums and we need to be part of it and unfortunately the City ground site is not big enough to achieve it. Trent Bridge is similar. Not long ago it was one of the largest cricket grounds in the country but others have expanded and new out of town grounds like Southampton have been built which are pushing the top international matches slowly away. We rarely get an ashes test now because other stadiums are bigger. Time to move on and progress. Toton is a brilliant opportunity for the football club to grow.
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15-05-2024, 07:34 PM
(This post was last modified: 15-05-2024, 07:35 PM by Redgirl.)
I’m not going on about the WFCG because I’ve clearly stated my feelings. If we have to move which seems very likely, surely we need to move to another location in Nottingham? EM talks about everything he has done for the city, which I agree he has done so much, but what happens to the local businesses and the city centre should Forest move? Many local businesses will not survive or struggle without the business generated on match day. Surely the council must realise it is in the best interest of the city to provide an alternative site.
For me transport wise it would be far easier to get to Toton, I live in Ripley so getting to the ground can be a nightmare. I just can’t understand how fans are willing to take the club out of the city and site it half way to Derby, or Leicester ( which has been mentioned.
Can’t we just not knock Meadow Lane and the Cattle Market down and build on there County can play anywhere, they are Notts County!
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(15-05-2024, 07:34 PM)Redgirl Wrote: I’m not going on about the WFCG because I’ve clearly stated my feelings. If we have to move which seems very likely, surely we need to move to another location in Nottingham? EM talks about everything he has done for the city, which I agree he has done so much, but what happens to the local businesses and the city centre should Forest move? Many local businesses will not survive or struggle without the business generated on match day. Surely the council must realise it is in the best interest of the city to provide an alternative site.
For me transport wise it would be far easier to get to Toton, I live in Ripley so getting to the ground can be a nightmare. I just can’t understand how fans are willing to take the club out of the city and site it half way to Derby, or Leicester ( which has been mentioned.
Can’t we just not knock Meadow Lane and the Cattle Market down and build on there County can play anywhere, they are Notts County!
I think we must have been offered the land at Toton at a very cheap price or offered money to subsidise development. Also if build trading ground on same site it allows them to sell the land it is currently on which is smack in the middle of one of the most affluent residential areas in the county. It will be worth plenty.
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Why not just build a training ground/complex at Totton, sell land at West Bridgford, keep and improve City Ground.
Bournemouth, Palace, Fulham, Brentford all finished above us in the league with smaller stadiums.
Sheff utd have a bigger stadium than us, so do Sunderland, Middlesboro, Sheff wed, Derby, Leeds, Cardiff, Southampton, Coventry, Leicester (and probably a couple more), and their greater capacity isn't guaranteeing success.
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(16-05-2024, 09:17 AM)optimistic_red Wrote: Why not just build a training ground/complex at Totton, sell land at West Bridgford, keep and improve City Ground.
Bournemouth, Palace, Fulham, Brentford all finished above us in the league with smaller stadiums.
Sheff utd have a bigger stadium than us, so do Sunderland, Middlesboro, Sheff wed, Derby, Leeds, Cardiff, Southampton, Coventry, Leicester (and probably a couple more), and their greater capacity isn't guaranteeing success.
How long before Bournemouth, Palace, Fulham, Brentford all face the drop?
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Value for money. Redeveloping the city ground with its hemmed in restrictions is vastly more expensive than building from scratch a whole complex.
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Any voting for a multi use sports village cannot of been there for the chelsea game !!
5:30pm Saturday kickoff so got the train into town had beers with my family then walked across the Bridge to the TBI to meet old football friends (family now ) and walk into the old girl bouncing knowing we were safe . Singing Mull of kintyre pre-match .
All this will be lost moving into a soulless bowl on the edge of derbyshire I really don’t want this .
The extra commercial revenue instead of a new main stand is probably less than 10M a year it’s nothing in terms of PL money .
Get Corporate sponsorship of the Ground call it the Ryanair City Ground for all i care as its still the City Ground !!!
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I'm thinking we might need a different poll. What would people want if the option was no change to the City Ground or a new stadium?
I've always thought the original plans seemed a bit too good to be true and we've never really got close to it happening so far so perhaps they just aren't realistic. In that case the option would be keep it as is or move right?
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(18-05-2024, 06:08 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I'm thinking we might need a different poll. What would people want if the option was no change to the City Ground or a new stadium?
I've always thought the original plans seemed a bit too good to be true and we've never really got close to it happening so far so perhaps they just aren't realistic. In that case the option would be keep it as is or move right?
Living in Northamptonshire I can't get to as many games as I used to but even if I wanted to go now I couldn't get a ticket... Had a season ticket for 15 years now can't get a sniff for a ticket at all. A bigger ground would at least give some of us who want to go a chance.
I'd vote new ground
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18-05-2024, 07:47 PM
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(18-05-2024, 06:08 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I'm thinking we might need a different poll. What would people want if the option was no change to the City Ground or a new stadium?
I've always thought the original plans seemed a bit too good to be true and we've never really got close to it happening so far so perhaps they just aren't realistic. In that case the option would be keep it as is or move right?
Not sure the plans were realistic with the flats. However in the Championship matchday income was our major source of revenue. Thats not the case now so maybe we don’t need the money from the housing to fund the build? Just focus on a decent PT stand maximising corporate and event space and jobs a good un?
Obviously the CG cannot stay as is, just not good enough. Toton isn’t the answer though.
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(18-05-2024, 07:47 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: (18-05-2024, 06:08 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I'm thinking we might need a different poll. What would people want if the option was no change to the City Ground or a new stadium?
I've always thought the original plans seemed a bit too good to be true and we've never really got close to it happening so far so perhaps they just aren't realistic. In that case the option would be keep it as is or move right?
Not sure the plans were realistic with the flats. However in the Championship matchday income was our major source of revenue. Thats not the case now so maybe we don’t need the money from the housing to fund the build? Just focus on a decent PT stand maximising corporate and event space and jobs a good un?
Obviously the CG cannot stay as is, just not good enough. Toton isn’t the answer though.
I'm not defending Toton necessarily, don't know enough about it. Still though, how would we fund it without the flats?
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