Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager

[Shawoddyred]

Maybe you guys aren't watching other teams matches but this is exactly the same style of football that most teams are playing. Everyone is tired and it's been a tough season, its not a normal season.

Ive watched enough of the top 6 to know that how we currently play isnt going to get us there next season and we need a very different approach, one that will not simply be solved by buying a new striker. I dont agree the top teams are playing the same way.

Not having a go at you and as you know I want Hughton to stay. On top of which I accept that 4 out of 6 of those teams have PL payments, there is tiredness as a factor too. Just saying that this summer we need to change our style as much as an overhaul in the squad, with Hughton I think we get a slow evolution, want a radical fix then may need someone else to do it.

I personally think a top quality striker with pace and physicality would be very much transformative for the whole team and performances.....do I think we'll get one? Quite probably not as they cost a fortune and will have many clubs after them!

[audiosmee]

i think we lack 1 or 2 direct, dynamic players. We have steady, disciplined players with no 'va va voom'

maybe Johnson maybe a bit of spark. We definitely have missed Lolley performing well

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

[wassy04]

Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

So we need the rebuild now but not last year? What's changed since then? Aside from Grabban's drop off in performance, we have the same squad but bigger. Implying in fact that we also needed the rebuild last year too?!  :D

[Shawoddyred]

Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

I do understand your point of view entirely. I don't think Toney would have scored 30 goals for us as he is about to do for Brentford but I think he would have scored 20 this season. We have missed some absolute sitters, especially before Christmas, and I think his physicality and directness would benefit our way of playing much more than the style of forward we seem to have on the books at the moment. I also think he would bring our wingers into play further up the pitch than they currently do, which would also lead to more goals....I think anyway.

I wouldn't put us that far away if we added a 'Toney'. But I can't see a player of his quality and style that we could possibly buy this year.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

I do understand your point of view entirely. I don't think Toney would have scored 30 goals for us as he is about to do for Brentford but I think he would have scored 20 this season. We have missed some absolute sitters, especially before Christmas, and I think his physicality and directness would benefit our way of playing much more than the style of forward we seem to have on the books at the moment. I also think he would bring our wingers into play further up the pitch than they currently do, which would also lead to more goals....I think anyway.

I wouldn't put us that far away if we added a 'Toney'. But I can't see a player of his quality and style that we could possibly buy this year.

Been looking at ol' Toney on Quest/EFL.  Very good positionally.  Great instinct.  But what I really like for him is how he gets into winger positions and provides some great assists too.  Making him doubly dangerous.

As for how he'd have done in our team.  We can only say he'd have had to have gone some to have done any worse than our lot.  

But I take the point that 'quality' service has starved our forwards.  We can only hazard a guess that with better service they may have doubled their tally from 4 to 8 or from 6 to 12.

We've lacked goals from all around our team.  Fullback.  CHs.  CMs.  Wingers.  Strikers(!).  Hasn't been enough chipping in by far.

We're not powerful or fast enough.  We lack pace to go at teams to upset their shape.  They seem to be 'ready' for our pedestrian attacks.

This Summer.  Pace.  Power.  Athletes who can play a bit.  We need quality upgrades in many positions, defence, midfield and up front.  Because recruitment didn't really do their job properly last Summer it means another big clear out and whilst I don't see 13 players coming in it will still need to be significant. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of fullbacks, a GK, a playmaker CM, an ACM, a couple of wingers.  A couple of strikers.  That's 9 players right there.  Too many individual errors on the back of a lack of goals.  

Basically.  Score goals.  Will reduce the pressure in terms of making individual mistakes.  Footballers who can hold possession and hurt the opposition with pace to upset them. And quality to hit that onion bag.

We've been pretty strong down the middle of the side.  But the sides.  The fullbacks have been soft.  The wingers have not been incisive with their supply. Knocker may have his knockers but he's the sign post to the kind of quality we should be recruiting but with less drama queen qualities in his case.

SA.

[tugger2018]

We have some height in our team ie worrall McKenna Christie Blackett Yates sow etc
But have we even scored 1 goal or even 1 header from a corner or free kick this is almost unforgivable from a manager
Not to have set pieces nailed down at this level it’s such a major part of the game
It would be great to see some stats on this
I think I heard the Birmingham centrebacks have 5 goals + each from set plays
Something we definitely need work on and our fitness is awful
How many players look overweight and slow
knockeart freeman Christie Cafu etc ?
A team that is fitter than the others will always do better is the coaching , recruitment or the types of players we get in
Also we have no pace in the whole squad
Who is 1 rapid or 2 even just fairly quick ?
I can only think of mighten Johnson or Ribiero just being fairly quick
Rant over

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

So we need the rebuild now but not last year? What's changed since then? Aside from Grabban's drop off in performance, we have the same squad but bigger. Implying in fact that we also needed the rebuild last year too?!  :D

This is an ongoing argument between us which probably bores everyone else. In my opinion we needed 4-5 quality additions last summer. We got 1 - McKenna. A few other holes have been plugged with some decent loans, Garner, Krov and arguably Christie.
So we still need the 4 players we didnt get last season on top of which we now have Lolley struggling for fitness, Grabban looking disinterested, Ribeiro and Ameobi out of contract and unfortunately I suspect Worrall on his way. In other words a bigger rebuild.

[PsychoStanleyStone]

Rant over

Tugger, don't say it's over, rants should never be over

[wassy04]

Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

So we need the rebuild now but not last year? What's changed since then? Aside from Grabban's drop off in performance, we have the same squad but bigger. Implying in fact that we also needed the rebuild last year too?!  :D

This is an ongoing argument between us which probably bores everyone else. In my opinion we needed 4-5 quality additions last summer. We got 1 - McKenna. A few other holes have been plugged with some decent loans, Garner, Krov and arguably Christie.
So we still need the 4 players we didnt get last season on top of which we now have Lolley struggling for fitness, Grabban looking disinterested, Ribeiro and Ameobi out of contract and unfortunately I suspect Worrall on his way. In other words a bigger rebuild.

My argument has never been that we spent well, simply that we did need to bring in a number of players. 4-5 quality plus some squad players to fill out as we really struggled with depth under Sabri. Pretty much the same thing to me, just they bought too many CMs and most of the summer signings have failed badly. (I reckon Christie counts as a success personally so I make it 2)

I think we needed to sign an alternative to Grabban last summer, Lolley was already struggling last season, Ribeiro has been a new one and Ameobi will probably sign a new deal. My point is that we right to attempt a rebuild last year as our squad was average and as that failed, we need to do the same thing again! I think we have the same opinion  :D

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Maybe we arent a million miles apart now. Christie was a loan so RB still needs addressing. The point is if an ounce of common sense had been applied last summer then it wouldnt have been as big a job this summer. Buying players who are only good enough as back up is ridiculous in my opinion and partly explains why we have gone backwards. On top of which we have Bong Jenkinson Blackett Colback Arter Bachirou and Taylor all contracted for the coming season none of whom are good enough but are draining funds we dont have.

[wassy04]

Maybe we arent a million miles apart now. Christie was a loan so RB still needs addressing. The point is if an ounce of common sense had been applied last summer then it wouldnt have been as big a job this summer. Buying players who are only good enough as back up is ridiculous in my opinion and partly explains why we have gone backwards. On top of which we have Bong Jenkinson Blackett Colback Arter Bachirou and Taylor all contracted for the coming season none of whom are good enough but are draining funds we dont have.

I don't think it was about a lack of common sense, just a few of the key signings failed fairly spectacularly. I agree Blackett and Fred were unnecessary as we had players in those positions already. There were attempts to address all the gaps aside from AM although Sabri didn't use one so it wasn't necessary.

Taylor and Arter going so badly has really cost us as they were key signings on likely decent wages. I personally thought they looked decent enough on paper, obviously I don't watch loads of Bournemouth and Charlton games so it's tough to really tell too much. You would've hoped for better on those, add in Da Costa to that too from the previous window.