The Premier League 2023/24

[wassy04]

We beat Man Utd with only 2 African players in the team, Aina and Niakhate.
Since then Niakhate hasn’t been in Nuno’s team. Therefore its just Aina we have had to manage without.
Sorry to spoil your agenda.

Toffolo/Tavares have covered well enough, not like Aina is that great. He's not even a LB!

[Marinakis Red]

Tofollo is a championship left back though.

[wassy04]

Tofollo is a championship left back though.

Yes I agree, a good one though, most of Luton's team is made up for championship players.

It's more that it's not exactly a big drop between him and Aina IMO, with Tavares somewhere in between.

[DR Forest]

We badly miss Aina and Tavares- without at least one of them we are imbalanced and our counter attacks have been more limited.

Missing Taiwo has been a massive factor to that too.

[nffc93]

There is no comparison as Nuno got stuffed by Afcon.

Anyone trying to compare is clutching at straws and ignoring reality.

The reality is we are not accumulating any more points, making the same mistakes and battling to stay out of the relegation zone. So far sacking Cooper and appointing Nuno hasn’t worked. Those two early wins against Newcastle and Man utd are just giving Nuno a better points ratio but they are increasingly looking like a distant memory. Our form throughout 2024 has been abysmal and on a par with Cooper’s worst runs. Not just in the league either. We made such hard work of beating Blackpool and needed penalties against Bristol. It was a big call to sack Cooper considering what he had done in the previousTm two years, including keeping us in the division in a season long relegation battle. The view was he had run out of ideas and a change would improve our form. It hasn’t. No getting away from that. Cooper is history now though and the question is would a change improve our results now. My view is they couldn’t get much worse.

So Steve Cooper had Afcon too in the first part of the season and lost 6 players to Afcon.

I missed that........

We beat Newcastle and Manure and then Afcon came along and messed it all up.  We still dont have Aina back and Boly has only just come back.


Thats the reality - your ignoring reality, but thats your choice to if you want to slag off Nuno.

You keep harping on about Cooper like some petulant little child, trying to point score and bait. 

Niakhate, Aina started va Manu. The same Niakhate he thought would be a great idea to stick at left back where he got absolutely destroyed and hasn't played him since. 
I saw sniffs comments saying no way would Nuno have dropped CHO for making a mistake. I disagree on that one. Hasn't played since his mistake.

I've seen plenty of people moaning about Aina and Niakhate on here over the course of the season but because they played in that win against Manu way back in Dec, It fits the AFCON narrative. 

Sangare has been dog shit in all but one game, so makes no difference if he was at AFON or anywhere else but the City Ground. He has been truly diabolical, beyond and passenger. 

Serge wasn't the same player this season and was sold in Jan so we won't even count him. 

I'm pretty sure you're not saying we've been in the mud while missing the services of, Kouyate? Nuno must think something of him though.. Leaving his two attacking Jan loans out the match day squad v Brighton and replaces MGW (who was visibly pissed off at being brought off) when we're 1.0 down and brings Kouyate on to make an impact. Come on, seriously? 

So, i would say we've missed Boly more than anything. But guess what, he hasn't played in any of Nuno's wins. 

1 win in nearly 3 months is enough for me to start questioning the manager. 

I'll still be doing my bit on a match day but it won't stop me from questioning Nuno who has quite clearly cost us points in a number of games. 

Brighton away and his hideous lineup, and shutting up shop against Luton while only 0.1 up on 74 mins have massively backfired on him. I won't mention the previous managers name as I'm not so obsessed about point scoring but he would have had absolute pelters for that carry on.

[Username]

I haven’t checked stats but I would be interested to know share of possession and number of shots etc Nuno vs Cooper.
Points are what matters obviously but I suspect we make games a much more even contest under Nuno.

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

I think this is a much underrated point. 

Not just between the group of players but also in the stands. 

I genuinely don’t feel the love for Nuno from those around me and, as such, I don’t feel everyone getting behind the same team with the same level of emotion and intensity. 

I do wonder how much of that seeps through to the pitch. 

To me it feels like we’re only a couple of terrible results from it being toxic. I didn’t feel like it was that close under his predecessor, and I was at Fulham away!!

[Sausage Roll]

I haven’t checked stats but I would be interested to know share of possession and number of shots etc Nuno vs Cooper.
Points are what matters obviously but I suspect we make games a much more even contest under Nuno.

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

I think this is a much underrated point. 

Not just between the group of players but also in the stands. 

I genuinely don’t feel the love for Nuno from those around me and, as such, I don’t feel everyone getting behind the same team with the same level of emotion and intensity. 

I do wonder how much of that seeps through to the pitch. 

To me it feels like we’re only a couple of terrible results from it being toxic. I didn’t feel like it was that close under his predecessor, and I was at Fulham away!!

Surely fans should support the club, not the manager?

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I haven’t checked stats but I would be interested to know share of possession and number of shots etc Nuno vs Cooper.
Points are what matters obviously but I suspect we make games a much more even contest under Nuno.

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

You are joking right?

Cooper more or less sacked himself.

He was barely  on speaking terms with anyone at the club when he left and he was struggling to put 11 players on the field who were willing to put a shift in for him.

The unity was zero and like I have said a thousand times he made his own position untenable. 

When is the penny going to drop with some of you lot?

[wassy04]

I haven’t checked stats but I would be interested to know share of possession and number of shots etc Nuno vs Cooper.
Points are what matters obviously but I suspect we make games a much more even contest under Nuno.

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

You are joking right?

Cooper more or less sacked himself.

He was barely  on speaking terms with anyone at the club when he left and he was struggling to put 11 players on the field who were willing to put a shift in for him.

The unity was zero and like I have said a thousand times he made his own position untenable. 

When is the penny going to drop with some of you lot?

Yeah as User said above, I was specifically referring to the crowd support that he had and which didn't disappear during bad runs or even at the end.

We were in a position that very few clubs have been in where the crowd were supportive of the team despite perceived underperformance due pretty much solely to Cooper (given most of the players that helped him have gone). 

Not sure there'd have been booing at the end of the game in the Cooper era. It's obviously not Nuno's fault and he is unlikely to ever get this level of support.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

You are joking right?

Cooper more or less sacked himself.

He was barely  on speaking terms with anyone at the club when he left and he was struggling to put 11 players on the field who were willing to put a shift in for him.

The unity was zero and like I have said a thousand times he made his own position untenable. 

When is the penny going to drop with some of you lot?

Yeah as User said above, I was specifically referring to the crowd support that he had and which didn't disappear during bad runs or even at the end.

We were in a position that very few clubs have been in where the crowd were supportive of the team despite perceived underperformance due pretty much solely to Cooper (given most of the players that helped him have gone). 

Not sure there'd have been booing at the end of the game in the Cooper era. It's obviously not Nuno's fault and he is unlikely to ever get this level of support.

To be honest I didn't hear any booing at Luton but it was loud and clear for everyone to hear at Fulham.

Once again before anyone starts that is just the truth.

[wassy04]

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

You are joking right?

Cooper more or less sacked himself.

He was barely  on speaking terms with anyone at the club when he left and he was struggling to put 11 players on the field who were willing to put a shift in for him.

The unity was zero and like I have said a thousand times he made his own position untenable. 

When is the penny going to drop with some of you lot?

Yeah as User said above, I was specifically referring to the crowd support that he had and which didn't disappear during bad runs or even at the end.

We were in a position that very few clubs have been in where the crowd were supportive of the team despite perceived underperformance due pretty much solely to Cooper (given most of the players that helped him have gone). 

Not sure there'd have been booing at the end of the game in the Cooper era. It's obviously not Nuno's fault and he is unlikely to ever get this level of support.

To be honest I didn't hear any booing at Luton but it was loud and clear for everyone to hear at Fulham.

Once again before anyone starts that is just the truth.

I'm willing to trust the media that have reported it.

It's not a great comparison given we drew on Saturday and were hammered 5-0 by Fulham.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I haven’t checked stats but I would be interested to know share of possession and number of shots etc Nuno vs Cooper.
Points are what matters obviously but I suspect we make games a much more even contest under Nuno.

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

You are joking right?

Cooper more or less sacked himself.

He was barely  on speaking terms with anyone at the club when he left and he was struggling to put 11 players on the field who were willing to put a shift in for him.

The unity was zero and like I have said a thousand times he made his own position untenable. 

When is the penny going to drop with some of you lot?

I respect you far too much to have a go Sniffer but this is exaggerated.

I totally accept his relationship with EM was beyond toxic and for that reason alone his position was untenable. Add to that performances were going from bad to worse, it was time for a change.

But to say he was barely on speaking terms with anyone and sacked himself is well over the top. He had a massive task gelling a huge squad with a big turnover of players, some of the new ones who had been promised they would come in to play and then weren’t getting picked, old faces who were no longer getting picked, it was a very difficult balancing act.

Whats done is done, comparisons are irrelevant and as I have said anyone who wants their team to lose just to say I told you so on an internet forum is not a fan. Just don’t like to see revisionism of history.