Sabri Will He Stay Be Sacked Or Quit

[Uwantlee]

The way this forum has turned away from Sabri is quite ridiculous. I thought we were better than that and could all see the long term benefit of having a stable manager with players who he wants there rather than who the last manager, or the manager before him wanted.

Clearly not.

Are we better than wanting a winning football team????

I think it would be ridiculous to want otherwise. As with all fans, of course we were happy when we were winning and pushing the top end. If this was just a blip in form and a short term issue we would still be supporting the manager. However, this is not a recent issue. We are not winning (not even drawing) and we are not scoring. And most importantly the manager doesnt seem willing to change or move away from tactics that are not working.

Some still support the manager

Some want him gone.

The longer get this goes on the more will fall in to the latter.

Stability only works where the performances show hope. Inconsistency where performances are good some games and poor others offer hope moving forward. Playing well and losing offers hope moving forward and is something we can all get behind. But, again, the current performances (going back 8 months now) do not inspire hope and any form. We are playing terribly and losing and on top of that it's the most boring and negative style of football we have seen in a long time... dont give me the counter attacking shite because we haven't done that effectively since leeds at home.

Everyone is entitled to support the manager or want him gone. Doesnt mean we support the club any less if our opinions differ. We all see things differently.

You're not asking for stability, you're asking for a team that plays well every game and never has a bad patch. Every team goes through inconsistency, the base of stability is knowing that despite a bad run the manager will not change and have to look at short term solutions. 

If you want the manager out fine (that Barnsley game last year was almost enough on its own) but dont try and claim you also was consistency.

I suspect if we ever somehow went up and we're inevitably rubbish in the higher league people would want the manager out within 10 games.

Completely agree Pap, bit surprised at quite the level of negativity on this forum. I thought most could see the value in keeping a manager long term and letting him learn from his mistakes. I can only imagine how bad some of the other forums must look and twitter!

Due to the nature of football stability Is only going to come with results... we haven't had results since january.

I'm not asking g for good football every game I am asking for the hope that things will change.

We play poor and win... there is hope

We play well and lose... there is hope

It really doesnt matter how we win we just want the team to win.

At the moment and since january we haven't been winning or playing well.... where is the hope there especially on such a long run of poor results and performances. 

Some people believe that because it's a new season we should almost forget the run since january. If performances had been improved since the start of this season then fair enough..

The point is though, that performances are the same as they were and results are just as bad.

There is no sign of hope with this manager. That doesnt mean he wont turn it around and I hope he does but come on, how can you back something that is currently so wrong.

Because it's not yet been determined that there is anything wrong. On saturday we played a young lad in Gabriel who was making his debut. Colback was rusty (that was clear to see). He and Freeman were playing their first competitive game for ages. Lolley came off as he is probably only 75% fit. Sow's a major influence for us but was injured (again). I don't know but there's a good argument to suggest all the other new players were not yet up to the required fitness levels. Cash and Watson were gone and the team had to adapt to that. Yet in spite of all of that, if Grabban puts one of those gilt edged chances away, or Figs doesnt make his mistake for the pen there's a good chance we get an away point on the opening day and we're saying job well done, good start etc.

And to use the the Barnsley cup game as a measure of the performance of the team is simply ridiculous. The team Sabri sent out for that game included Carvalho, who we know isnt going to and has never had a chance under Sabri. That to me suggests how much importance was placed on that game by the club.

A few points  I would raise from your post.

It's not clear there is something wrong....... I would suggest the huge downturn in performance and results since january are more than enough evidence. If we had come back this season and lost both games but the performances were an improvement on last season I would agree. However the performances are no different... there is a lot wrong.

Second the barnsley game. You say it is ridiculous to use this game.... I say it is ridiculous not to. The first competitive game after the disappointing end to the season. Winning g breeds confidence and losing does the opposite. If you are suggesting that he fielded a team he didnt think could win then he should go now regardless. We needed to win that game to show we had moved on. You talk about playing a young right back... ge did the same in the QPR game. If he doesnt think gabriel is good enough he should have been targeting a replacement. He has stated he isn't.

I will reiterate I would be happy for sabri to prove me wrong and I will be the first to hold my hands up but there is no evidence that any progress has been made from june and july or the games against millwall and Charlton.