Evangelos Marinakis And Co

[Strawberry Avenger]

I agree and you would be naive to think anything other than EM is ultimately in it to get PL money. The frustrating thing as DR says is that he could have had it. They have financial backing and the knowhow to run a Champions League football club yet have made mistakes that a novice owner would make.

Ive not given up on EM yet, still believe his intentions were good even if money driven and he is ultimately a winner. Yes it will be interesting to see what happens with the new stand, if planning still comes through etc, they looked serious enough to push it through by schmoozing a government minister over the summer.

It could be that he has realised the time and effort it ultimately requires to get out of the sodding championship. He has big businesses to run and his main club - maybe he feels he can't devote enough effort to Forest to get us where we need to be?

That's a mighty fine bit of reasoning there Shawoddy and is a valid consideration. He is successful in all of his ventures and NFFC must be like a massive millstone around his neck, dragging him down in terms of his successes

Probably a large part of the reason if this is correct but surely the expression ‘eyes wide open’ applies?
Disappointing if it happens due to that Groundhog Day feeling but get it done quietly and quickly so there is minimum disruption. Maybe one day an owner will finally get it right or we will get a slice of Leicester level luck.

A few models to promotion: 

1) Smash your way up by gambling & cheating big time on ffp (Wolves)
2) Slowly build your way up (Brighton), 
3) Get a decent coach and let him coach the club (Sheff Utd, Leeds)
4) Go off piste or be a boutique club and do things differently (Brentford, Bournemouth)

We've got none of these going atm. Our best chance is probably hope for a new manager to come in and perform a miracle.

We haven't got the patience for 2 and 3.  The money for 1. Plan B is no.4, I take it. Have we got the consistency to stick with that? The patience? It would be better if we have no choice but to follow 4. Then all can grudgingly accept it and hope recruitment can grow their magic beans into beanstalks. *(Selling the odd Academy cow to keep the giant from the door.)

It's about consistency.  And Forest haven't had the courage of their convictions.

The club talk about not fit for purpose, appoint a Forest Way style coach and get rid of him for 4(?  I"ve lost count...) attritional managers.

The club let go Warburton, Aitor, MoN.  Keane.  They clearly can't cope with strong characters.  There seems to be a brittle ness there.

Why bring them in the 1st place.  You bring in Hughton.  It takes a year to back him with permanent players.  He's still out to dry on a striker.  And yet is expect to get a 'nice boy' team (that is barely better than the one that nearly got relegated on paper...) to beat the likes of Cardiff, Boro, yer Millwalls (when Forest struggled with supposed 'better' recruitment.)

A miracle?  Luckily.  We do have 'Christ Hughton'.  He did perform a miracle last season in keeping Forest up.  (An under appreciated fact by many because they thought last year's players were 'good enough.'  So good they were murdered in the crib and thrown out in the trash, saving millions on Forest's wages turnover.)

My opinion is he will find a way to start picking up points.  It may not be pretty.  (But nice boy football doesn't work as we saw on Saturday.  Forest aren't good enough to play football against the likes of Cardiff.  How do you play your football if you're getting man handled?  Where are the Archie Gemmils, Birtles?  Woodcocks?  Robertsons?  Bower?  The veteran calmness of Captain Govern.)

It was lost on Randall what all the promoted clubs had.  He didn't think there was any magic ingredient?

I was surprised a crack legal whiz didn't get it.  Had he not choked on his 'short-term-ism?'

Consistency.  And for 24 years.  Forest haven't had it.

SA.