Evangelos Marinakis And Co

[Paplane]

It'd be nice to see the guys face every now and then.

It's about the results.  But you have to get things right off the field.

And they are doing.

The last thing falling into place.  Is recruitment.  It's the one thing that they got wrong.  They tried to brute force it with a short term approach.  As noted by Randall.

Had they stuck with Warburton, Aitor, O'Neil. (AND IF) They stick with Hughton?  (Ironically, if they'd gone for Hughton in the 1st place and given him the money they gave to Aitor or Sabri then Forest would have been promoted by now.)

Any of them would have or will get there.  If you give them time. 

Last season's 'temper tantrum' came back to bite Forest.  They needed half a dozen quality signings.  Not the random confetti approach.

I'm ok with hindsight.  But I'm not payed thousands to get it right.  Even I know you need robust mid-20s players who have energy and can play a bit.  If you can't spend millions, you scour the lower leagues.  It's what Forest used to under Clough and Taylor and save the big money for one or two class players to give you that edge.

They key error was thinking a continental recruitment model with journey men players was going to work.  That didn't translate well from the Greek League to the Championship.

That impatience?  I think it comes from the top.  And I think it undermined probably every manager we've had so far to one degree or another.  And it comes down to trusting your managers for longer than 4 games.  Or half a season.  It puts the pressure on to hit the ground running and football in the Championship rarely works like that.  

Clough himself would have been fire under the current owners.

SA.

I'm frustrated by this sudden insistence that we target certain players based on data and age. That's ok once it gets going but there has to be a plan in place short term to keep us competitive while it gets going. We've switched to this new model with gaping voids in the side. And to make it even more ridiculous, we've banished Arter, Jenkinson and Bong from the club even when they're still in contract with us! It's pathetic. I don't know who's responsibility it is in the club but eventually everything goes back to the owner who to be fair does know what it takes to run a football club.

I'd convinced myself earlier in the summer that even before he was officially announced DM was working for us behind the scenes, hand in glove with Vrentzos to effect a seamless transition. I've now changed my mind. I think Vrentroz buggered off at the end of the season and the club sat there rudderless until he arrived with no one pushing things along. He's been dropped into a job that is massively bigger than anything he will have experienced before at an extremely challenging time with the current finaincial crisis in football. it looks to me like he's sinking fast.

Completely agree with your 1st paragraph.  We've done a complete 180 handbrake turn with no short term transition.  And it's cost 9 points and the early potential momentum is gone.  That's on the new CEO.  His job is to bring in the players.

Arter is a CM.  Jenks is a RB.  And they are getting paid.  And they could have 'done a job.'  We'll never know if they could have turned the losses into draws.  But there's only so much you can do when your keeper makes key errors in each game.

And your 2nd?  You might not be so far wide of the mark...

I think Vrentroz could well be proving his point.  

The last time things were ominously quiet on signings like this, Mark Arthur was in power.

It may be that it's taking time because the targets are higher quality.  But I thought we were looking in different places to everyone else for more value?

So.  Where are they?  Still waiting.  It's costing Forest points.

With another week to go, the Rubicon is coming upon us fast.

SA.

I see the rubicon being the sheep game a week on Saturday. If the club feel they can wait until the last possible minute of the window to bring players in, meaning we limp into that game with a patched up side and put in a lame performance with the inevitable defeat, then they better be ready for the mother of shit-storms heading it's way.