Evangelos Marinakis And Co

[Reds73]

Edu dismissed !
Will be officially announced in next few days

Flamengo bound?

Quite probably !

[DR Forest]

Circumstance is much the reason for our apparent ‘scatter-gun’ signings and multiple acquisitions.

Lest we forget that when we were promoted we had about 6 first team players left. Buying a whole squad was necessary.

The next season we had to get rid of the dead wood from that exercise and build again.

Things were going nicely and then we overachieved and got into Europe.
Careful what you wish for.
A blessing in disguise.
Use whichever idiom you like; the fact remains we were even more exposed than we were when we got promoted. Cue transfer market overdrive. Again.

The difference is that by hook or by crook, in previous years it worked. Lots of misses, lots of debris, but it worked. We stayed up and we got into Europe ffs.

The issue this season was that, for the first time during this adventure, we were fishing in a different pond. Not quite at the front of the queue but definitely not living off the top 6’s scraps.
We needed stability, 3/4 oven ready PL players in certain positions, plus a few development players to flip for a profit. Specifically, we needed full backs, a no9 and pace up front.

In comes Edu.
Immediately falls out with Nuno who the fans and players loved.
Oversees the biggest spend in the clubs history, misses quality where we need it and here we are.
4 managers deep and none of them trusting the majority of the new signings; so much so, that when Wood is fit I can see us starting with 11 players who were here last season.

Yes, EM was at fault.
Yes, Nuno was too.
But, assuming he was actually in charge of recruitment, even the most left wing union representatives couldn’t defend Edu’s job performance at the HR meeting.
We failed to step up to the next level. A job he was brought in to oversee.
Turn the lights out on your way out, Eddie.

Let’s hope Vitor gets us to limp over the line, because root and brand reform is needed in the summer.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I can see why Edu was appointed though.

He was proven and did a good job at Arsenal, he was a well known and respected figure who knew the league and also the Brazilian market etc. You can see the thinking behind it and I think we all agreed at the time that it was a bit of a scoop for us.

Also you would have expected our coach at the time to get along and forge a good relationship with the new global head of football.

The rest is history of course but as I said it did look a very good piece of business at the time.

[Paplane]

I can see why Edu was appointed though.

He was proven and did a good job at Arsenal, he was a well known and respected figure who knew the league and also the Brazilian market etc. You can see the thinking behind it and I think we all agreed at the time that it was a bit of a scoop for us.

Also you would have expected our coach at the time to get along and forge a good relationship with the new global head of football.

The rest is history of course but as I said it did look a very good piece of business at the time.

Agree with all that Sniff  but the guy had to do the business and he hasnt. He's had two windows to give the squad the players it needs and he's failed twice. Thats not despite paying out a huge amou t in transfer fees. His legacy could well be that we end up in League 1 in 2 or 3 seasons time.

[DR Forest]

I can see why Edu was appointed though.

He was proven and did a good job at Arsenal, he was a well known and respected figure who knew the league and also the Brazilian market etc. You can see the thinking behind it and I think we all agreed at the time that it was a bit of a scoop for us.

Also you would have expected our coach at the time to get along and forge a good relationship with the new global head of football.

The rest is history of course but as I said it did look a very good piece of business at the time.

Indeed.
Hindsight is an unfair tool with which to judge.
However…. There were clues. I recall Arsenal’s lack of signing a striker (window after window) being regularly bemoaned and debated.

It’s a scenario we are now all too familiar with at NG2 (though to be fair, it’s also been a long standing issue at Forest since Grabban became a pensioner).

[northeastred]

Rio ave sporting director a possibility to take over. Was at juve, linked to arsenal and few other big clubs, matteo tognozzi,

 Tognozzi was Head of Scouting at Juve and had a big part in signing the likes of Huijsen, Yıldız, Soulé, Barrenechea, Iling-Junior, De Winter.

Juve’s youth recruitment from world-wide academies (South America, across Europe, local around Italy, etc.) was so good under Tognozzi.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Rio ave sporting director a possibility to take over. Was at juve, linked to arsenal and few other big clubs, matteo tognozzi,

 Tognozzi was Head of Scouting at Juve and had a big part in signing the likes of Huijsen, Yıldız, Soulé, Barrenechea, Iling-Junior, De Winter.

Juve’s youth recruitment from world-wide academies (South America, across Europe, local around Italy, etc.) was so good under Tognozzi.

Never heard of him but you have sold him to me.

[optimistic_red]

The main thing we need to improve on (IMO) is to get a better connection between the manager and the backroom team buying the players. they have to all be on the same page pulling in the same direction.

We have had a problem going back to Cooper (he refused to play Stantos for example). Nuno clearly wasn't happy with summer transfer business and the connection with management and he forced his exit. Dyche gets given a left back in Jan, refuses to play him when there are no alternatives, plays Murillo out of position instead.

There is no point signing players that won't get picked. There is also no point signing players just for 1 manager, (ie McNeil for Dyche) if its doesn't fit the overall plan.

To me this joined up thinking and communication is what a sporting director does.

[Jimmygordon]

McNeil would have done better than Bakwa

[Salvatore Matrecano]

This is ever the problem at Forest, the lack of joined up thinking and longer term planning. We only ever seem to act reactively with leads to hiring and firing of both managers and directors of football. for DoF in recent memory we've had Murphy, Faulkner, Filippo Giraldi (who was probably undeservedly sacked), Antonio Cordon I think, Edu, probably some others Ive missed. Manager wise we go lurching from one different style to the next.
You say McNeil would have been better than Bakwa, well maybe but that probably depends on who is in charge this week.

At some point we need to pick with a strategy and stick with it. I thought we were on the way with Nuno but it never planned out. Edu I was excited about but he really didnt do himself any favours and as an outsider cant point to a single positive thing he did in his time.
I dread to think of how much we spend on compensation and paying off contracts, it all counts against our PSR. I hope EM has a think this summer about what he wants and puts thought into who he employs to deliver it.

[DeesideRed]

This is ever the problem at Forest, the lack of joined up thinking and longer term planning. We only ever seem to act reactively with leads to hiring and firing of both managers and directors of football. for DoF in recent memory we've had Murphy, Faulkner, Filippo Giraldi (who was probably undeservedly sacked), Antonio Cordon I think, Edu, probably some others Ive missed. Manager wise we go lurching from one different style to the next.
You say McNeil would have been better than Bakwa, well maybe but that probably depends on who is in charge this week.

At some point we need to pick with a strategy and stick with it. I thought we were on the way with Nuno but it never planned out. Edu I was excited about but he really didnt do himself any favours and as an outsider cant point to a single positive thing he did in his time.
I dread to think of how much we spend on compensation and paying off contracts, it all counts against our PSR. I hope EM has a think this summer about what he wants and puts thought into who he employs to deliver it.

This is it, I had a look over previous seasons and the manager tended to get what he wanted before then more were added, cooper getting sangare, nuno Milenkovic etc but this season was first season where they seemed to just ignore the manager for whatever reason.

[Reds73]

McNeil would have done better than Bakwa

Maybe would have, but won’t do in the future.
100% a player, and just needs building up.

Unfortunately Hes been ‘DYCHED’