Nuno Espirito Santo

[JWJW]

Are we talking about the Nottingham Forest who recently beat Newcastle and Manure?

The ones who just lost to a top ten side Brighton who were in Europe.

The only bad game recently has been Fulham. The bad games under the previous manager were many many more this season.

Our season has been wrecked by referee errors and individual mistakes.

To deny that is pure idiocy.

[Forest1970]

It’s creeping in because people are only now beginning to grasp the gravity of the situation. It is possible we could be 9 points behind Luton by the end of the weekend. We would then need a miracle to survive. Has Nuno got a miracle in him. On the evidence so far he has not. It might be the task is too much for any manager we might be able to attract for 9 matches but it is not unreasonable to ask the question.

If that were to happen and we end up being 9 points behind Luton at the end of the week then how would that be Nuno's fault?

It wouldn’t be entirely his fault, the ownership would have to take the majority of the blame.

And there it is. Nice to have you back blaming the owners

We would need to find out from them though how the hell it was allowed to happen.

Absolutely we need to know and I would guess the people involved in letting this happen has gone already.

[Marco Polo]

Oh come on you lot. Not disputing Nuno needs to get results fast but there is a bit of nonsense talk creeping in here.

It’s creeping in because people are only now beginning to grasp the gravity of the situation. It is possible we could be 9 points behind Luton by the end of the weekend. We would then need a miracle to survive. Has Nuno got a miracle in him. On the evidence so far he has not. It might be the task is too much for any manager we might be able to attract for 9 matches but it is not unreasonable to ask the question.

If that were to happen and we end up being 9 points behind Luton at the end of the week then how would that be Nuno's fault?

It wouldn’t be entirely his fault, the ownership would have to take the majority of the blame.

And there it is. Nice to have you back blaming the owners

The buck stops with them re the points deduction. Changing manager - don’t blame him at all for doing so, marginal gains and all that as we’ve seen against Newcastle and Man Utd. The rest is very similar to the previous coach.

[Forest1970]

It’s creeping in because people are only now beginning to grasp the gravity of the situation. It is possible we could be 9 points behind Luton by the end of the weekend. We would then need a miracle to survive. Has Nuno got a miracle in him. On the evidence so far he has not. It might be the task is too much for any manager we might be able to attract for 9 matches but it is not unreasonable to ask the question.

If that were to happen and we end up being 9 points behind Luton at the end of the week then how would that be Nuno's fault?

It wouldn’t be entirely his fault, the ownership would have to take the majority of the blame.

And there it is. Nice to have you back blaming the owners

The buck stops with them re the points deduction. Changing manager - don’t blame him at all for doing so, marginal gains and all that as we’ve seen against Newcastle and Man Utd. The rest is very similar to the previous coach.

So does the owners sack themselves because of what's coming. Don't be silly because they employ people to sort this stuff out and if they f**k up they get sacked. But for you constantly blaming the owners all the time is sole destroying and its time you got over the fact they do employ people to sort this stuff out.

[Marco Polo]

They shouldn’t sack themselves, but I hope they hold their hands up and admit they f****d up - then we move on and learn from it.

I’ve got hopes this is a pointless to and fro and we get no points deducted.

Just want us to stay up bud.

[wassy04]

The number of unforced errors is actually key for me.

I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed a Forest team make so many as they have this season, my initial reactions when it first became noticeable was that I felt we were trying to take risks and be brave on the ball but it’s just plain sloppy.

The first three notable touches from Neco Williams today were two misplaced passed, one out of play and the other straight to the opposition, and a baffling set piece routine that he hit straight at the wall.

I don’t mean to single Neco out because it permeates through the whole team (barring Toffolo).

Can anyone explain why this is happening with such regularity?

Because most of our players aren't up to the standard?

Is that true? I’m not disagreeing, just stating playing devils advocate. 

I genuinely think the collective group are better than the league position suggests.

The amount of times over the years on this forum, people have believed the group are better than the league position suggests. I can count how many times with 1 finger of one hand how many times that turned out to be the case.

I agree with the Baddog, we've got some players with potential but right now there's too much inconsistent play and some just aren't that good. 

It's funny you pick out Neco too as he's probably been our best player of late. Not sure exactly what that says about the rest of the team.

I did say that I wasn’t singling out Neco, I was using him as an example. 

That said, we have detracted from the point I was making. The level of unforced errors isn’t down to the standard of the players, there is clearly something wrong with the mindset of the squad, it is almost lacking in professionalism.

I disagree, I think the fact that the level is broadly the same across two managers just shows this is the current level for this group. 

There is potential to be better but I think the mistakes just come from a combination of younger player being inconsistent and more experienced players just not being that good.

[DeesideRed]

Oh come on you lot. Not disputing Nuno needs to get results fast but there is a bit of nonsense talk creeping in here.

It’s creeping in because people are only now beginning to grasp the gravity of the situation. It is possible we could be 9 points behind Luton by the end of the weekend. We would then need a miracle to survive. Has Nuno got a miracle in him. On the evidence so far he has not. It might be the task is too much for any manager we might be able to attract for 9 matches but it is not unreasonable to ask the question.

If that were to happen and we end up being 9 points behind Luton at the end of the week then how would that be Nuno's fault?

This is an interesting take, wouldnt be SOLELY but he's certainly had a hand in it. Can't excuse him entirely Sniff

Similarly if we get deducted points thats of those who run the club.

Sangare is on Cooper :D

[Paplane]

Who's at fault?

Cooper 20%
Injuries 20%
Afcon 5%
Refs/VAR 15%
Nuno 10%
FFP 25%
Bad Luck 5%

Basically, we stay up if just one of the above categories is 0.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Who's at fault?

Cooper 20%
Injuries 20%
Afcon 5%
Refs/VAR 15%
Nuno 10%
FFP 25%
Bad Luck 5%

Basically, we stay up if just one of the above categories is 0.

Not the team then?

As a reminder our squad is valued at €350m

[Marco Polo]

Who's at fault?

Cooper 20%
Injuries 20%
Afcon 5%
Refs/VAR 15%
Nuno 10%
FFP 25%
Bad Luck 5%

Basically, we stay up if just one of the above categories is 0.

It’s not FFP it’s whomever went over it

[wassy04]

Who's at fault?

Cooper 20%
Injuries 20%
Afcon 5%
Refs/VAR 15%
Nuno 10%
FFP 25%
Bad Luck 5%

Basically, we stay up if just one of the above categories is 0.

Not the team then?

As a reminder our squad is valued at €350m

Yeah players and recruitment surely aren't blameless in all of this?!

What % is goalkeepers?

[Paplane]

I was grouping the team in with the managers but fair enough then, players added.

Players 10%
Cooper 15%
Injuries 20%
Afcon 5%
Refs/VAR 15%
Nuno 5%
FFP 25%
Bad Luck 5%

FFP would still be the biggest overall factor if it happens.