(03-07-2019, 12:00 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I think I am in the majority of wishing Lamouchi well but with no real expectation he will be able to deliver success.

I confess to looking at the lot down the road lining up Philip Cocu, you can see where they are coming from with him, won the dutch league with unfashionable club, history of developing youth. They admittedly have no better record than us of holding on to managers, it just seems a bit better thought through.

I think it is the lack of communication that there is any sort of plan that grates, as an outsider it looks like we have just gone for the first bloke who is a Mendes client and looking for a job. What is his brief, build and develop? Or the usual promotion or bust with the reward of the sack if he fails?

None of us have any idea how it will pan out, experience warns us not to be over optimistic.

(03-07-2019, 12:00 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I think I am in the majority of wishing Lamouchi well but with no real expectation he will be able to deliver success.

I confess to looking at the lot down the road lining up Philip Cocu, you can see where they are coming from with him, won the dutch league with unfashionable club, history of developing youth. They admittedly have no better record than us of holding on to managers, it just seems a bit better thought through.

I think it is the lack of communication that there is any sort of plan that grates, as an outsider it looks like we have just gone for the first bloke who is a Mendes client and looking for a job. What is his brief, build and develop? Or the usual promotion or bust with the reward of the sack if he fails?

None of us have any idea how it will pan out, experience warns us not to be over optimistic.

(03-07-2019, 12:18 AM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: A few thoughts, first of all, if your enthusiasm, excitement, passion for the new season has intensified in the last few days, honestly and genuinely i am pleased for you, i can remember a few seasons where i was desperately waiting for the season to start, the first season under Frank Clark .. i think it the 5.3 win over Grimsby, then the next season the 1.1 v Man U, I went to the Dell 1 season and saw us win but maybe not the 1st game, I remember the 0.3 away at Coventry, obviously Psycho's win over Blackpool, Warbs's 3.4 win at Brentford, all really memorable days early or possibly first games.  
I envy you, because for me it has totally gone, i agree M o N and R K weren't to focused on champagne football but for some probably meaningless reasons, i loved them being here.  I won't bother with talking experience and all that.  Even the most bitter critic would have to concede that they did ok for the 19 games.
I would say the squad spirit, togetherness, band of brothers ... problem, ie there was discontent, i'd say was inherited.  Even then i am not going to blame AK, because that is what he does, he signs players, the ones that get injured or don't work for him .. i think he casts aside but for someone else to move on, AK probably wanted to work with the gold and silver and let someone else deal with the slag and slurry, why not?
To be honest with you, i can't make any sense of it anymore.  All i can conclude is that it is a very strange club, a bit sinister, actually sinister is quite good, it's more cowardly, desperate, pathetic but veiled.  The decency has gone, maybe it went years ago.  That might be why i liked Billy Davies, he sort of sparred, was a bit sinister himself, there was a sort of honesty with him but an honesty that he was devious, acknowledging that the truth and transparency doesn't win you games, he was the pantomime baddy.
Anyway i am damaged now, maybe we all are.  
I've got to say, at this moment in time there isn't really anything genuinely silver lining to look forward to.
We are officially in blind hope alley, i'm not saying there aren't good things but that there isn't anything to feel proud about, everyone running the show at the moment seem like complete strangers to me, it's not that, it is a feeling of nothingness, it's gone.  Nothing to feel strongly about nothing to condemn, no identity, definately no decency, maybe a glut of money?

(03-07-2019, 12:00 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I think I am in the majority of wishing Lamouchi well but with no real expectation he will be able to deliver success.

I confess to looking at the lot down the road lining up Philip Cocu, you can see where they are coming from with him, won the dutch league with unfashionable club, history of developing youth. They admittedly have no better record than us of holding on to managers, it just seems a bit better thought through.

I think it is the lack of communication that there is any sort of plan that grates, as an outsider it looks like we have just gone for the first bloke who is a Mendes client and looking for a job. What is his brief, build and develop? Or the usual promotion or bust with the reward of the sack if he fails?

None of us have any idea how it will pan out, experience warns us not to be over optimistic.

(03-07-2019, 01:37 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote:

(03-07-2019, 12:00 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I think I am in the majority of wishing Lamouchi well but with no real expectation he will be able to deliver success.

I confess to looking at the lot down the road lining up Philip Cocu, you can see where they are coming from with him, won the dutch league with unfashionable club, history of developing youth. They admittedly have no better record than us of holding on to managers, it just seems a bit better thought through.

I think it is the lack of communication that there is any sort of plan that grates, as an outsider it looks like we have just gone for the first bloke who is a Mendes client and looking for a job. What is his brief, build and develop? Or the usual promotion or bust with the reward of the sack if he fails?

None of us have any idea how it will pan out, experience warns us not to be over optimistic.

And his spectacular failure at Fenerbahçe?

(03-07-2019, 12:18 AM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: A few thoughts, first of all, if your enthusiasm, excitement, passion for the new season has intensified in the last few days, honestly and genuinely i am pleased for you, i can remember a few seasons where i was desperately waiting for the season to start, the first season under Frank Clark .. i think it the 5.3 win over Grimsby, then the next season the 1.1 v Man U, I went to the Dell 1 season and saw us win but maybe not the 1st game, I remember the 0.3 away at Coventry, obviously Psycho's win over Blackpool, Warbs's 3.4 win at Brentford, all really memorable days early or possibly first games.  
I envy you, because for me it has totally gone, i agree M o N and R K weren't to focused on champagne football but for some probably meaningless reasons, i loved them being here.  I won't bother with talking experience and all that.  Even the most bitter critic would have to concede that they did ok for the 19 games.
I would say the squad spirit, togetherness, band of brothers ... problem, ie there was discontent, i'd say was inherited.  Even then i am not going to blame AK, because that is what he does, he signs players, the ones that get injured or don't work for him .. i think he casts aside but for someone else to move on, AK probably wanted to work with the gold and silver and let someone else deal with the slag and slurry, why not?
To be honest with you, i can't make any sense of it anymore.  All i can conclude is that it is a very strange club, a bit sinister, actually sinister is quite good, it's more cowardly, desperate, pathetic but veiled.  The decency has gone, maybe it went years ago.  That might be why i liked Billy Davies, he sort of sparred, was a bit sinister himself, there was a sort of honesty with him but an honesty that he was devious, acknowledging that the truth and transparency doesn't win you games, he was the pantomime baddy.
Anyway i am damaged now, maybe we all are.  
I've got to say, at this moment in time there isn't really anything genuinely silver lining to look forward to.
We are officially in blind hope alley, i'm not saying there aren't good things but that there isn't anything to feel proud about, everyone running the show at the moment seem like complete strangers to me, it's not that, it is a feeling of nothingness, it's gone.  Nothing to feel strongly about nothing to condemn, no identity, definately no decency, maybe a glut of money?

(03-07-2019, 01:13 PM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote: We should have a statue of John Pemberton erected outside the ground when the Taylor stand is rebuilt, in memory of him leveling Billy.

(03-07-2019, 02:39 PM)Sausage Roll Wrote: His curse was himself, as is now being shown by the zero jobs he's had since leaving us for the second time.

(03-07-2019, 02:56 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:

(03-07-2019, 01:13 PM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote: We should have a statue of John Pemberton erected outside the ground when the Taylor stand is rebuilt, in memory of him leveling Billy.

I would have paid good money to have seen that.

Pemberton giving Davies a good hiding  :cool: